19 Years ago today

19 Years ago today I woke up with double vision.  In less than 24 hours I would be in isolation in a hospital almost totally parallelized and in a lot of pain.  It would be almost two weeks before I was finally diagnosed with the Miller Fisher Syndrome of Guillain-Barré. In that time the doctor told me that I would not make it and I saw my daughter for what I thought was the last time.  The delay in my diagnoses and treatment has had a big impact on my health and quality of life but who can say if that it was for the better or worse.  It has also had a big impact on those around me.  I wrote up what happened to me on my blog for anyone who wants to read it. This morning I am going out to cut the grass.  http://ocshooters.com/blog/?page_id=1153

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Handgun ban in Northern Mariana Islands has food for thought for NY Judges

Washington Post article covers the lawsuit against the ban on handguns and handgun ammo in the Norther Mariana Islands, a U.S. sovereign territory.  One of the points in the Judge’s order that struck down the current law as a violation of constitutional rights is you could not use personal protection as a reason for wanting a handgun,  a position that many issuing Judges in NY also use.

D.  The Second Amendment Prohibits the Commonwealth from Denying WIC Applications on the Basis of Self-Defense.

The Second Amendment guarantees the “individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.” Heller, 554 U.S. at 592, 628 (“the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the Second Amendment right”).  In the Commonwealth, the WIC application includes a “strong[] recommend[ation]” not to use “family protection” as the reason for applying for the permit. (WIC Application.) “Family protection” falls within the ambit of the Second Amendment’s “core lawful purpose of self-defense,” and cannot form a lawful basis for denying a WIC. Heller,554 U.S. at 630. To the extent that the Commonwealth prohibits access to firearms for lawful self-defense purposes, the prohibition is unconstitutional, and will therefore be enjoined.

We already tried to get the “proper cause” removed in NY but the anti-gun 2nd Circuit said basically that NY has had the Sullivan act for 100 years and if SCOTUS wanted to overturn it they could but SCOTUS did not take the case.  At this point, however, Judges should start taking “personal protection” as a reason to issue pistol permits.

Congratulations and a big thanks to Gray Peterson for his work and support in this lawsuit.

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Open letter to those who don’t support my lawsuit.

These are some of the bills in the NY legislature this year calling for mandatory safety classes and I am sure that none of the people who wrote the bills know I have a lawsuit.  These bills and similar bills like them have been in the NY legislature for decades so me winning or losing my lawsuit will not have any impact in their quest to add some type of safety class requirement.  The safety class requirement is common in many states that issue CCW licenses and even if I win my lawsuit, Judges will still be able to require a safety class AFTER a license has been issued.  The only thing my lawsuit will do if I win is what the NRA supports; no one should be required to take a class BEFORE they are issued a pistol permit.  Also the local Sheriff’s Department or County Pistol License Office can’t have additional requirements on who can be an instructor past what the law states or what class they have to teach or what instructors can be on a public list.

The only thing that prevents these and many other bills being passed is if the Republicans lose control of the NY Senate or they decide that they have to “compromise” like they did with the unSAFE Act.  When the Republicans lose control of the NY Senate, and that is a matter of when not if it will happen, NY will have 50 cal gun bans, waits, mandatory insurance, micro-stamping, required storage with possible spot inspections by the police, licensed long guns, much higher fees, additional gun and ammo taxes, limits on the number of guns you own, additional requirements for people that own too much ammo or reload or have an “arsenal,” one gun a month or three month laws and that is just for individuals.  Gun stores can expect videotaping of all gun and ammo sales, additional storage requirements and alarm requirements, additional training and background checks, limits on where a gun store can be located; among other requirements.  (Did you know your gun store is located less than 1,000’ from a park or playground, school, day care center or church?)

A00198 Creates a firearm proficiency requirement examination for the licensing of persons to carry or possess a firearm

19    (i) a written section on the laws relating to firearms;

20    (ii) a physical demonstration of proficiency in the  use  of  firearms

21  and in firearms safety procedures;

22    (iii)  a  level of knowledge concerning a licensee’s duties, responsi-

23  bilities and liabilities pursuant to this chapter and civil statutes  of

24  the state of New York and of the United States;

1    (iv) a level of proficiency in firearm safety.

A00283Relates to a firearms safety course certificate for license applications made outside of the city of New York

15    (l)  [in  the  county of Westchester] outside of the city of New York,    16  who has successfully completed a firearms  safety  course  and  test  as    17  evidenced  by  a certificate of completion issued in his or her name and    18  endorsed and affirmed under the penalties of perjury by a  duly  author-    19  ized  instructor,

NOTE: NY PL 265 Definition 19 currently defines who is a “duly authorized instructor” and it does not include the local Sheriff’s Department but does include the NRA and DEC instructors.

  19. “Duly authorized instructor” means (a) a duly commissioned officer  of the United States army, navy, marine corps or coast guard, or of  the  national  guard  of the state of New York; or (b) a duly qualified adult  citizen of the United States who has been granted a  certificate  as  an  instructor in small arms practice issued by the United States army, navy  or  marine  corps,  or  by the adjutant general of this state, or by the  national rifle association of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly  organized under the laws  of  this  state;  or  (c)  by  a  person  duly  qualified and designated by the department of environmental conservation  under  paragraph  d  of  subdivision  six  of  section  11-0713  of  the  environmental conservation law as its agent in the giving of instruction  and the making of certifications of qualification in responsible hunting  practices.

  • A05785Requires persons possessing any firearm to hold a firearms safety certificate (NOTE:  The certificate is only good for two years so you would have to take the class every two years.)

21    (9) He or she possesses a firearm, not being the  holder  of  a  valid    22  firearms  safety  certificate  issued pursuant to section 400.15 of this    23  chapter.    24    § 2. The penal law is amended by adding a new section 400.15  to  read    25  as follows:     1  § 400.15 Firearms safety certificate.     2    1. For the purposes of this section:     3    (a)  “Commissioner” means the commissioner of the police department of     4  a city having a population of one million or more.     5    (b) “Sheriff” means the sheriff of the county in  which  an  applicant     6  resides, except in a city having a population of one million or more.     7    2.  No  person  shall  possess  a  firearm  unless such person holds a     8  firearms safety certificate issued pursuant to this section.     9    3. Every person applying  for  a  firearms  safety  certificate  shall    10  submit  an application to the sheriff or the commissioner if such person    11  resides in a city with a population of one million or more.  Such appli-    12  cation shall be in such form and content as shall be established by  the    13  sheriff or the commissioner, and shall include:    14    (a) the applicant’s name, address, residence telephone number, gender,    15  race,  height,  weight, date of birth, citizenship, thumbprint and driv-    16  er’s license or non-driver identification card number;    17    (b) the applicant’s signature; and    18    (c) an oath that all information in the application is  true,  subject    19  to the penalties of perjury.    20    4.  The  course  of  instruction for the issuance of a firearms safety    21  certificate shall include the successful completion by the applicant of:    22    (a) not less than five hours of classroom instruction on:    23    (i) the safe use and handling of firearms;    24    (ii) the methods for safely storing and securing firearms, and keeping    25  children safe when such weapons are present; and    26    (iii) the applicable federal, state and local  laws  relating  to  the    27  purchase, sale, possession, transportation and storage of firearms;    28    (b)  not  less than two hours of live firing instruction at a shooting    29  range using the type of firearm the  applicant  anticipates  purchasing,    30  possessing or acquiring; and    31    (c)  a  safe-handling  of  a firearm demonstration as attested to by a    32  duly authorized instructor.    33    5. Every firearms safety course, for the completion of which an appli-    34  cant is granted a firearms safety certificate, shall be approved by  the    35  sheriff  or the commissioner and shall be conducted by a duly authorized    36  instructor. The sheriff or the commissioner may,  for  the  purposes  of    37  firearms  safety  courses  required  by  this  section,  provide for the    38  approval of firearm safety courses required or provided for pursuant  to    39  any federal or state law.    40    6.  Upon  the  successful completion of a firearms safety course by an    41  applicant, the duly authorized instructor of such course  shall  provide    42  the  applicant  with  a  signed  affidavit  attesting to the applicant’s    43  successful completion of the course. Such affidavit  shall  include  the    44  name,  address  and  telephone number of the duly authorized instructor;    45  the name of the applicant; and the dates and places that the course  was    46  conducted.    47    7.  Upon  receipt of the affidavit required by subdivision six of this    48  section, the applicant shall submit a copy  of  such  affidavit  to  the    49  sheriff  or  the  commissioner  and he or she shall administer a written    50  examination, established by  him  or  her,  demonstrating  knowledge  of    51  firearms safety and laws applicable to firearms.    52    (a)  A firearms safety certificate shall be issued to an applicant who    53  scores seventy-five percent or higher on such examination.    54    (b) If an applicant fails such written  examination,  he  or  she  may    55  retake  such  examination  at  least  twenty-four  hours  after  a prior    56  attempt. The same version of such written examination shall not be given        A. 5785                             3      1  to an applicant upon any two consecutive takings thereof.  No  applicant     2  shall  be  offered  the written examination more than three times. After     3  the third failure by an applicant, he or she shall be required to  again     4  successfully  complete  the requirements of subdivisions four and six of     5  this section.     6    (c) Applicants may be charged a fee to cover the costs of  administer-     7  ing the written examination.     8    8. Upon successful completion of the requirements of subdivision seven     9  of  this  section by an applicant, the sheriff or the commissioner shall    10  issue such applicant a  firearms  safety  certificate.  Firearms  safety    11  certificates  shall  not be transferable. The holder thereof shall store    12  such certificate in the place where his  or  her  firearms  are  stored,    13  except that such certificate shall be carried on the person of the hold-    14  er  if a firearm is possessed outside of the holder’s residence or place    15  of business. Upon request of a police officer, a firearms safety certif-    16  icate shall be displayed by the holder to such officer.    17    9. Every firearms safety certificate issued pursuant to  this  section    18  shall  be  valid  for  a  period  of  two years, and may be renewed upon    19  completion of the requirements of this section.    20    10. No person shall sell or transfer possession of a  firearm  to  any    21  person who does not hold a firearms safety certificate.    22    11. A firearms safety certificate shall be revoked:    23    (a) for the violation of any provision of law relating to firearms;    24    (b) for fraud, misrepresentation or bribery in the application for and    25  issuance of the firearms safety certificate;    26    (c) if the holder is disqualified from possessing a firearm; or    27    (d)  the  occurrence of any circumstance which would have disqualified    28  the holder from being issued a firearms safety certificate.    29    12. This section shall not apply to:    30    (a) police officers as defined in subdivision thirty-four  of  section    31  1.20  of the criminal procedure law, or retired police officer, who upon    32  separation from a law enforcement agency  was  immediately  entitled  to    33  receive  retirement benefits pursuant to the retirement and social secu-    34  rity law or the administrative code of the city of New York;    35    (b) peace officers as defined in section 2.10 of the  criminal  proce-    36  dure law;    37    (c)  licensed  manufacturers, transporters and sellers of firearms who    38  possess such weapons for purposes of wholesale or  retail  sales,  while    39  engaged in the scope of their licensed activities;    40    (d) nonresidents of the state participating in any lawful recreational    41  firearms  related  activity, and while in the course of traveling to and    42  from such recreation activity; or    43    (e) any person who temporarily possesses a firearm in the residence or    44  place of business of the holder of a firearms  safety  certificate,  and    45  such  possession  occurs  in  the  course of using deadly physical force    46  authorized by article thirty-five of this chapter.

  • A05788Establishes a safety course requirement for firearm license

(l) [in the county of    13  Westchester,] who has successfully completed a  firearms  safety  course    14  and  test  as  evidenced by a certificate of completion issued in his or    15  her name and endorsed and affirmed under the penalties of perjury  by  a    16  duly  authorized  instructor,  approved  by  the superintendent of state    17  police except that:

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Orange County updated their Pistol License Amendment form to the current updated state form dated 6/14.  I have updated it on my website and now you can fill it out on my website and print out the form and even save the form for later use.

You can download the form on the Orange County website, fill it in using BLACK INK and mail it in with supporting paperwork:

You can also go to my website to the AMENDMENT PAGE for the law and information about the form and how to fill it out, (C-T-V = City, Town, Village, Don’t forget to answer the YES or NO question at the end of the form):


OR you can download the form directly from my website and fill it in online.  Your browser might tell you that in order to fill out the form you have to “Open With Different Viewer.” Give it time to download.




MEDIA RELEASE March 4, 2016, TO: Media Outlets; FROM: Captain Scott K. Hamill, Public Information Officer, DATE: March 4, 2016

Sheriff Carl E. DuBois and County Clerk Annie Rabbitt, in conjunction with the pistol permit licensing authority for Orange County, are pleased to announce a change to requirements for gun permit applicants. The purchase of a handgun prior to submitting an application for a gun permit is no longer required, effective immediately.

Formerly, an applicant for a handgun permit was required to tentatively purchase a handgun and then wait for the pistol permit process to conclude before taking possession. Most merchants required the applicants to make substantial down payments and some charged holding fees if the process was not timely for the handguns that were to be purchased. Some applicants, if they were denied a pistol permit, received only store credit instead of a full refund. Finally, merchants were dealing with substantial on-hand stock being held with partial payment for extended periods of time that would otherwise be available for sale.

Sheriff DuBois commented, “This is a common sense approach to the gun permit process. An applicant receives approval for a gun permit and then goes to a merchant to purchase one. I continue to support the right of law abiding citizens to obtain gun permits and I strongly encourage all such gun permit holders to become proficient with the handgun they select by seeking appropriate training.” The Sheriff’s Office launched a training program for gun permit applicants and gun permit holders in 2014.

County Clerk Annie Rabbitt commented, “Since taking Office I have worked hard to make it easier for law abiding citizens to obtain gun permits. Working with the Sheriff’s Office and the Judges, we are taking another step to make it a more simple process.”


  If you turn in your application without a receipt for a handgun, you will have to wait for the whole process to complete and after you pick up your license, then you will fill in an AMENDMENT to add guns onto your license at a cost of $5 per gun. The amendment process takes 4 to 6 weeks at this point. Also, at this point because I don’t think anyone thought of if yet, Orange County has no requirement that you ever add a gun to your license. Some counties give you 6 months to add a gun to a license however NY law does not require that you have any guns on your license. I don’t support the idea that you must get permission from the government to own a handgun much less NY State’s law that requires a permit just to touch a handgun therefore I don’t see anything wrong, even legally with having a license with no gun on it.


  • Finally after all of these years. The requirement that you put a deposit on a handgun before they would give you a license has always been a complaint that most pistol applicants have had. There is no legal requirement that you have a handgun to put on your license and many counties don’t require it. Some counties let you add the handgun to your license when you go to pick up your license. It does save you $5 per gun if you have the gun(s) on your initial license. If you add a gun using an AMENDMENT it cost you $5 per gun.

  • Now if they would next drop the requirement that people who co-registering handguns on an initial license notarized the permission letter from the handgun owner.  I don’t mind the letter but it is stupid to think that someone would forge a document to have handguns added to their handgun license because if the forger was in possession of the guns that they forged the document to have added to their license, the forger would be in possession of stolen guns.  Look at it this way; let’s say you get a copy of my handgun license and forge a document saying that I have given you permission to have two of my handguns on your license.  At some point you steal the guns from me.  When I discover that the guns are missing I report them stolen.  The police do a check and discover that you have my handguns on your license.  The police call me up and ask if I know if you have my handguns.  I say that I never gave you permission to have my handguns.  The police then arrest you for forgery, submitting false documents, possession of stolen property, …    It is not a requirement that the letter be notarized AFTER you get your license.

  • The Sheriff’s Department could also stop wasting time going to every applicant’s house to see if they live there.  I can’t think of a more ridiculous waste of time.  I can see it for someone who just moved to Orange County two months ago but they are the police and can check and see the address on your driver’s license, your insurance, they can look up on the Orange County website where everyone who owns a home lives and how long they have lived there, they can also get a copy of the list of everyone who votes and see that that matches.  Only in rare instances can I see them justifying spending the time to visit your house.  If they don’t match up then I can see them asking questions.

  • FOOTNOTE:  I was the person years ago who got the Sheriff’s Department to change from mailing out all of the reference questionnaires and instead have the applicant provide them.  On that note the reference questionnaire letters are a made up requirement and serve no purpose other than more paperwork.  NY law only requires that your references sign the application.  That is where they are signing on your “good moral character.”


NY State Rifle and Pistol Association lawsuit against NY SAFE Act ends with death of Scalia

NYSRPA will not be taking our loss in the 2nd Circuit that said that the NY SAFE Act was Constitutional to the SCOTUS.  Scalia was one of our staunchest supporters and his death and the lack of his vote puts winning our case in such doubt and loosing would be so cataclysmic that it is just not worth the risk.  The saying for lawyers interrogating a witness is ‘don’t ask a question you don’t already know the answer to’ is true and you don’t bring a case unless you have a good likely hood of winning.  With four Justices who want to overturn the Heller decision and my belief that Kennedy was/is such a weak supporter of the Heller, now is not the time to put everything at risk.  Other cases are pending and working their way through the courts so all is not lost but only delayed.  The Maryland case is the best because it was sent back to the lower courts for new arguments with the requirement that the decision will have to be reviewed using strict scrutiny.  What ever the decision is, it will be appealed again so that should take at least two years and then it would have a chance to go to SCOTUS and by that time, we can only hope, one if not two people of the statue and beliefs of Scalia will be appointed to the court.


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2015 Orange County NY Pistol License application numbers are in.

Please note that the numbers given are the number of applications that make it to the County Clerk’s Pistol License Office from 1/1 to 12/31 of each year and include FFLs who have to renew their license and a few of the people will be denied  a license for multiple reasons so the actual number of new pistol licenses issued will be slightly less.


The total number of new handgun licenses in 2015 in Orange County was 1,169.  That number represented 432 fewer new licenses applications or a 27% reduction from the 2014 total number of 1,601, but don’t despair.  Because of the CA shooting and the instant cry for more gun control and Obama’s Executive Order threat,  a whole bunch of people were motivated to apply for a handgun license so much so that the Orange County Sheriff’s Department has added additional hours for fingerprinting and they have a backlog both in making appointments to get fingerprinted and, (I was told by someone but I am unable to verify,) of around 800 applications that have already been turned in and are being processed.

The Sheriff’s Department has added evening hours and has added every Sunday for now  but even with that, as of 1/19/16, their first opening for fingerprinting is March 20th, 2016 or 61 days.  Given the number of hours and the number of slots per day they have open that works out to around 490 people in line as of 1/19/16 waiting to get fingerprinted but that number, I think, also includes people who have to get fingerprinted for other reasons.

(It still does not matter.  It is the job of the Sheriff’s Department to accept applications and they should do it much faster.  I can see waiting a week or ten days but two months is unacceptable.  Can you imagine them saying that they have a backlog and so they can’t take criminals in their jail for two months because they are too busy?)

Some interesting numbers:

Total number of new licenses from 2008 – 2018, (8 years,) is 9,714 for a 8 year average of  1,214, a slight decrease from last years 7 year average of 1,221.

Total number of new licenses from 1993 to 2007, (15 years,) is 6,690 for a 15 year average of 446.  This includes a large spike in 2001 and 2002 caused by NYC police officers who retired after 9-11 and live in Orange County.

That means that in the last 8 years Orange County has issued 3,024 more licenses that were issued in the previous 15 years.

(This paragraph is copied from my 2014 post but still is valid.)  While I don’t expect the numbers to stay this high over the long term, I do expect the numbers to stay around the 7, (8) year average for  the next few years of between 1,100 to 1,400.  These numbers dispel the RECENT REPORT that the number of gun owners are on the decline at least in Orange County.  One of the few advantages of the NY handgun regulation is that we can tell how many new handgun owners apply for a license.  In most states anyone can go out and just buy a handgun but will need to apply for a license for a Concealed Carry License so you can’t tell from those numbers how many people are new handgun owner there are.  In NY we know by the number of new licenses how many new handgun owners there are because they could not have legally owned or purchased a handgun without a license.

  • 2015            1,169
  • 2014            1,601
  • 2013            1,735
  • 2012            1,346
  • 2011             993
  • 2010            1,170
  • 2009            1,000
  • 2008            700
  • 2007            508
  • 2006            454
  • 2005            446
  • 2004            422
  • 2003            431
  • 2002            600  (LEO retirement after 9/11)
  • 2001            508  (LEO retirement after 9/11)
  • 2000            374
  • 1999             326
  • 1998             308
  • 1997             432
  • 1996            341
  • 1995            463
  • 1994            508  (Federal Assault Weapons Ban passes and is signed)
  • 1993            569  Headlines- Pres. Clinton’s 1st year, Janet Reno is AG, first World Trade Center bombing, Waco, Lorena Bobbitt, SF law office shootingColin Ferguson LIRR shooting, original Federal Assault Weapons Ban passes House and Senate in Nov.
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Big changes in hunting in NY and Orange County

#1.  2015-16 Licenses to go on sale August 10  –  The 2015-16 hunting and trapping licenses go on sale on August 10 and are valid beginning September 1, 2015. Licenses and permits can be purchased at one of DEC’s license-issuing agents around the state, as well as by telephone and online.

#2.   Turkey Hunting Season Modifications   –  Newly adopted regulations shorten the fall turkey hunting seasons in New York State due to a declining turkey population across the state. The new fall seasons are two weeks long with a statewide season bag limit of one bird of either sex. Season dates vary regionally with the season in the Northern Zone running October 1-14, the Southern Zone running October 17-30, and Suffolk County (Long Island) running November 21-December 4. Further details on turkey hunting can be found on DEC’s website.


#3.  Major changes to season and DMPs being issued.  WMU 3M will be Antlerless only for the first two weeks of deer season and all of Black Powder season.   WMUs  3K and 3J will still have antler point restrictions.  3M will have 42,900 DMPs to be issued with a High chance for both resident and non-resident license holders.  That works out to be 57.3 DMPs per mi2.    3 J will have a high chance for one DMP but preference points will be needed for 3P.  In 3K, only qualifying landowners (greater than 50 acres) and veterans with disabilities will receive a DMP.  (CLICK HERE FOR DMP Availability and Probability of Selection for all of NY.)  You can apply for leftover DMPs will begin on or around November 1 each year.

Southern Zone Dates:
Early Bow hunting        Oct. 1 to Nov. 20 (With Oct. 1 to Oct. 15 in 3M being doe only.)
Crossbow                        Nov. 7 to Nov. 20 and rest of Regular and Muzzleloading season.
Regular (Sat.)                 Nov. 21 to Dec. 13
Muzzleloading & Bow    Dec. 14 to Dec. 22 (3M being doe only)


Orange county WMUs, 3J, 3K, 3M, 3P with 3M being the largest.


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Open Judge positions in Orange County

Orange County will have 3 Judge positions open in the next election, two family court and one criminal court judge.  Orange County Court Judge Jeffrey Berry officially retired from his County Court Judge position at the beginning of June so his position is open but he resigned after the Democratic party had their county meeting so they have not officially endorsed anyone to fill his position.
Hon. Lori Currier Woods, (Family Court,) Her 10 year term is up and she is running for re-election.
Victoria Campbell earned the formal endorsement of the Orange County for another Family Court position. http://www.campbellfororangecounty.com/
Craig Brown earned the formal endorsement of the Orange County for a County Court position. http://craigbrownforjudge.com/
Another person is trying to primary for the Count Court position.
All of the petitions that were signed and turned in are being looked at this week.  We should know next week, barring legal actions, if anyone is going to face a Republican primary.
Running on the Democratic line for of of the Family Court positions is Maria Patrizio and Eric Shiller. http://ericshillerforfamilycourtjudge.com/
I am still trying to figure it all out who is running against who for what position but we will know next week when the results of all of the petitions are posted.

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NY State Police give out “assault weapons” registry numbers

The NY State Police gave out the numbers for the number of so called “assault weapons” registered and how many people registered them. 23,847 people have registered their a total of 44,485 weapons. Orange County is number 7 with 985 registering their guns. The first 10 are
1 Suffolk 3,865
2 Nassau 2,755
3 New York (Manhattan) 1,640
4 Erie 1,593
5 Westchester 1,498
6 Monroe 1,408
7 Orange 985
8 Onondaga 916
9 Dutchess 731
10 Saratoga 573
How local counties rate:
7 Orange 985
9 Dutchess 731
13 Ulster 463
15 Rockland 451
26 Sullivan 229
What is odd is that Manhattan and the rest of NYC are already under an AW Ban that is stricter than the state wide ban so the only way that the people could register their “assault weapons” is if they are keeping them outside of NYC. Also I did see a list that included “Pistols” and that is impossible because all handguns are already registered so you would not have to register them as AWs but under Pataki’s old AW ban you could not register AWs on you handgun license so you can not buy any handguns after the NY unSAFE act passed. I have talked to several “non gun” people who happen to own a few rifles or handguns for some reason so they said that they were just going to register all of their guns even though they told me that they only owned bolt action rifles or a standard Ruger 10/22. I wonder what the error rate is in registering non-assault weapons as assault weapons?

A great big thanks and job well done to Paloma Capana and SCOPE!!!!


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