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SCOPE at BLACK ROCK FLEA MARKETOrange County Chapter leader Mike Kubow, George, Joe and Ralph manned the table at the flea market selling the Raffle Tickets for the Ted Nugent & Sunrize Acres Jurassic Pork Hunt. We also were doing a 50/50 to pay for the table. As part of the event, Mike Kubow presented the SCOPE Sponsorship Award given to clubs who are members of SCOPE and who go above and beyond the Club Membership requirement. Carmen Heitzman, BR Club President and Frank Allison accepted the award.
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Ken was the one shooting the S&W 500 above and got a real big KICK out of shooting it. |
UPDATE: Wed. July 27, 2005
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UPDATE:
Friday, July 15, 2005
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Stewart road plan gets OK
Opponents vow to appeal
By Craig Wolf, Poughkeepsie Journal, Friday, June 24, 2005
NEW WINDSOR — Backers of a road planned
into Stewart International Airport rejoiced Thursday at news a judge had
declared them winners in the current round of a lengthy legal fight. But
the people bringing the lawsuit to protect adjacent open space said they're
not done yet and will take the fight back to the next level of federal
courts as soon as they can. Meanwhile, this is developing into something
of a horse race. The state Department of Transportation is reviewing bids
it opened June 9 with a deadline of July 25 to decide. And the plaintiffs,
led by Stewart Park and Reserve Coalition, plan to not only push their
appeal of an earlier negative decision but to ask the Court of Appeals
for an injunction while that court reviews their case "We're very
pleased that the decision went the way it did," said Jennifer Post,
spokeswoman for the DOT..
Different reactions Stan Morse, of the
Marstan Travel agency in Millbrook, hailed the ruling by Magistrate Judge
Randolph Treece in Albany federal District Court. "I think it's wonderful.
This is just one more step in that march," he said. The $50 million
road into Stewart and link to Interstate 84 is expected to attract more
airline service, for which Morse has been a booster..
"I'm far from feeling discouraged,"
Sandra Kissam, president of the coalition, said Thursday. "We're
going to go as quickly as we can and bring action to the Court of Appeals
to have an injunction applied pending our appeal." In the case brought
by the coalition, the Sierra Club and the Orange County Federation of
Sportsmen's Clubs, the court ruled that the road agencies should have
studied the road's impact on lands west of the airport used for recreation
for about 30 years. The DOT went back and, rather than do a full review,
shifted the planned road 30 feet to the east, a solution Treece accepted.
The coalition asked him to reconsider that, pointing to discovery of purple
milkweed, a "species of special concern," but he demurred, deferring
to the state agencies, the DOT and the Department of Environmental Conservation.
"In essence, the plaintiffs' wish
for this court to embrace their experts and substitute their considered
opinions over the considered opinions of the defendants (DOT) as how to
best address the purple milkweed population," Treece wrote. "This
is an impermissible desire."
Update on Letters to the Editor at the Times Herald-Record about two Middletown
Gun Show arrest
I sent a Letters to the Editor at the Times Herald-Record about two Middletown Gun Show arrest about the way they reported the story. CLICK HERE TO SEE THE MY LAST STORY
Last month two people were arrested
at the Middletown Gun show trying to avoid the NY State required background
check that is done when all guns are sold at NY gun shows. Why the
two gun sellers failed to have the check done is unknown. NY State
Police checked the background of the two private sellers and one buyer
and none were criminals and all could legally own the guns. One can
only speculate that they were trying to avoid the $25 cost of the
check. The promoters of the Gun Show and employees should be commended
for contacting the NY State Police about the violation. They run a
tight ship and everyone who attends the show knows that bending or
breaking of any of the laws or rules is not allowed. Contrary to what T H-R reporter Christian M. Wade wrote in his article, the gun show is not an “open market for unscrupulous sellers.” I called Mr. Wade and asked him where he got the “open market” from and he told me that he had made it up. I called Sgt. David Scott of the NY State Police who was quoted in the article and he told me that he said no such thing and that did not understand how the reporter got that impression. Sgt. Scott said “that was not the case nor do we feel that way, " and that the Middletown Show was a "very well run gun show." I am glad that the T H-R covered the arrest however I wish the reporters would stop making up quotes and focus on facts such the two sellers were arrested for a misdemeanor violation of NY state law, not federal law and the shows are held 4 times a year, not three as reported in the article. |
As you can guess, the Letter to the Editor
person kicked the letter up to the City Editor's desk and when I finally
was able to get in touch with her she said that she had gone over the
story with the reporter and his notes and would not print a letter if
it contained the, "I called Mr. Wade and asked him where he got the
“open market” from and he told me that he had made it up."
line. She changed it to something like, "I disagree with the reporters
comment that the gun show was an "open market." We will have
to wait and see what they finally print.
I know of one other person who also wrote
a letter and I will copy that when it is printed.
I hope that some other people send in a
letter supporting the gun show. They do a lot for us and now is the time
that we can do something for them. The next show is on Sept. 10th &
11th.
UPDATE 7/10/05
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FISHING DERBY -On May 15th, 2005 the Orange County Federation of Sportsman's Clubs, along with the County Seat Conservation Club, hosted their Annual Youth Fishing Derby. As a special tribute, the O.C.F.S.C. renamed this day the Rudy Vallet Youth Fishing Derby. This year 495 children between the ages of 5-14 were registered. The O.C.F.S.C. presented a check for $2,080.00 to the family of Rudy Vallet. Present to accept the check were family members Claude Vallet, Jean Paul Vallet and Nicole Vallet. The check is a donation from the member clubs in the Federation and was donated to the Rudy Vallet Scholarship Fund. We'd like to thank all of the volunteers who donated their time to help out and we would like to thank Region 3 Senior Aquatic Biologist, Leslie Surprenant, who took time out of her very busy schedule to help out at the First Annual Rudy Vallet Youth Fishing Derby. Leslie was able to supply the Federation with some educational materials for the kids and also set up several live displays for the kids to enjoy. Thank you Leslie .
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Citizens for Ralph Caruso 15 Depalma Drive Highland Mills, NY 10930 |
Douglas E. Finch 1616 DeSeyn Drive Canandaigua, N.Y. 14424 |
Friends of Ed Day 2 Capral Lane New City, N.Y. 10956-3507 http://electday.com |
We will be holding our first RPA-PAC fundraising
dinner on September 17 at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center with the proceeds
going to support additional pro-gun candidates. NRA Executive Director
Wayne LaPierre and NRA VP John Sigler are confirmed speakers. We should
begin selling tickets this coming week.
Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director
New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
"What is IANSA? ( http://www.iansa.org/
) The International Action Network on Small
Arms is the global network of civil society organizations working to stop
the proliferation and misuse of small arms and light weapons."
And what do you think its goals are? These
are two:
So they think that by keeping us from having
any guns for any reason in the US it will end the killing of people around
the globe by dictators, terrorist, criminals and others. You have no right
to own a gun and no right to use one for defense. If a dictator or group
is committing genocide, IANSA is on the side of those committing genocide.
IANSA supports banning the supplying of guns to those being killed because
it might destabilize the situation.
So you think that they are a small group
and can not do anything? IANSA has more than 500 participant groups in
nearly 100 countries and are supported by the UN, many countries and people
like George Sorus and they also get millions of dollars from anti-gun
governments like Britain and Japan who are among the many nations who
are more than willing to approve any UN gun treaty that they can. Some
of the IANSA members are from the very same repressive countries and where
the genocides are taking place. Places where you get killed for supporting
anything or anybody that the dictator or government does not like. While
talking about being "transparent" IANSA has closed meeting where
only the anti-gun members can go.
The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, the
Legal Community Against Violence along with the Million Mom March / Brady
Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence are all members of IANSA. (This is the
web address of other anti-gun, leftist, socialist, pacifists groups in
America that are members, http://www.iansa.org/about/members/namerica.htm#usa
) These are also the groups that would also support and urge an anti-gun
President and US Senate to sign an IANSA/UN international treaty that
would ban you from owning any guns for any reason.
So you don't think that IANSA members can
impact anything in the US? Closing Illegal Gun Markets, MODEL LAW,
ASSAULT WEAPONS, BAN was written by The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence
(CSGV), (originally the National Coalition to Ban Handguns,) and was copied
almost word for word as NY's own A2466,
S5504,
this year's assault weapon ban that was pushed by NYAGV. The City of Columbus,
Ohio passed an “assault weapons ban” in July of 2005 based
upon a model provided by the Legal Community Against Violence. This is
also essentially a copy of A-2466, S-2445A, and S-5504. On LCAV's web
site, ( http://www.lcav.org/library/model_laws/Assault_Weapons.pdf ) acknowledges
the work of CSGV's Educational fund to Prevent Gun Violence "in developing
a model assault weapon ban."
CLICK HERE TO READ
NY's Assault Weapons
Ban, A2466, Right from the UN via Washington, DC and San Francisco, CA.
Cam & Company from NRANews.com cover IANSA |
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![]() John, Cam, Mike & Dennis in Times Square after the show. |
The NRA is a registered
as an NGO or "non-governmental organizations" with the
UN. That is how they are able to attend meeting and know some
of what is going on at the UN so they can tell you. The NRA sent
Cam and crew up to the SIRIUS
Satellite radio headquarters in NYC’s Rockefeller
Center to cover the meeting. It was four days of travel and hard
work for the crew and would defiantly qualify all of them for
an award for "going above the call of duty."
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This is a summary of significant changes for 2005/06. Check the guide for other minor changes such as season dates
Big Game Season Changes in the Southern Zone for 2005:
The opening day of the Southern Zone regular
deer season has been changed from Monday to Saturday. The season will
close on a Sunday. This change allows young hunters and others who are
unable to take time off from work or school to hunt on opening day. DEC
hopes this opportunity will be actively embraced by young hunters. Other
changes include opening the archery season on the third Saturday in October,
and extending the late archery and muzzleloader seasons to nine days.
Also, a pilot program to expand the age
structure of the buck population will be implemented in two Wildlife Management
Units (WMUs) located primarily in Ulster County. This new harvest strategy
will require that bucks taken in WMUs 3C and 3J have at least three antler
points on a side to be legal. Young hunters, under the age of 17, would
be exempt from the three point requirement.
Specific changes are as follows:
Gun-show law questioned
Judge considers whether it's so broadly worded it affects even breakfasts
Gary Craig Staff writer Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, NY.
(July 8, 2005) — A federal judge
on Thursday questioned whether a state law governing gun show transactions
may be so broadly worded that it could affect pancake breakfasts or other
similar events sponsored by gun clubs.
A lawsuit filed last year by local sporting
clubs attacks various pieces of New York's gun control statutes, including
one section designed to govern firearms sales at gun shows.
Under the law, any gun show must be prepared
to provide background checks on possible gun buyers. The show operator
can otherwise face civil penalties up to $10,000.
Scott Garretson, the attorney representing
the sporting clubs, said the statute simply defines a "gun show"
as an event where gun owners gather. That definition could apply to pancake
breakfasts, pig roasts, political rallies or 4-H events sponsored by a
gathering of "gun owners," Garretson said.
Assistant Attorney General Charles Steinman
said the state Legislature's intent clearly was not to place onerous restrictions
on gun club events that have nothing to do with gun sales.
He maintained that the Attorney General's
Office would not pursue action against other events.
"There's no valid purpose in regulating
pancake breakfasts," Steinman said.
U.S. District Judge Charles Siragusa answered
that he must consider what the statute says, not how the current attorney
general may interpret it.
"It sounds silly, but (the statute)
could encompass a pancake breakfast, regardless of the attorney general
saying, 'We're not going to prosecute,'" Siragusa said.
The lawsuit also challenges the state CoBIS,
or Combined Ballistic Identification System, which requires that most
new handguns sold in the state be test fired so the state can file specific
ballistics information into a database.
Opponents say the technology is not yet
refined enough to work, and that citizens who buy and sell guns legally
are entered into the state database even though they have no connections
with crimes.
The Shooters' Committee on Political Education,
or SCOPE, the Camillus
Sportsman's Club and the Yates County Federation of Conservation Clubs
sued Gov. George Pataki and other state officials.
GCRAIG@DemocratandChronicle.com
DATE |
# OF GUNS |
CHANGE |
MONEY SPENT |
# OF CoBIS "Hits" |
6/1/05 |
101,839 |
2,968 |
$17,333,333 +? |
0 |
7/1/005 |
104,340 |
2,501 |
$17,666,666 +? |
0 |
After more than 4 years and between $12,000,000
to over $17,000,000 spent, NY's "gun DNA" program has yet to
get one hit using it's system. Even the people who were against the program
when Gov. George Pataki included it in his 2000 "gun control package"
are amazed that the program has not produced even one hit.
The only "hit" the program has
had came when a loophole was found in the law that prohibits the CoBIS
program from using data in another federal program, NIBIN, a program that
collects data from known crime guns. This "hit" however pointed
out the problem with the system. The shell casings were picked up off
the street after the police got a "shots fired" call. When the
match was finally made, the statue of limitations on the misdemeanor crime
had already expired and the police had already taken the gun away from
the owner for other reasons.(This "hit" is still in question
because a FOIL request brought back a reply that they did not have any
information on the "hit.")
At a time when we really need to put all
of our police to good use, we have the whole staff of this program taking
pictures of shell casing from legal guns owned by licensed gun owners
from across the state. Even if the staff had been writing parking tickets,
they would have been able to solve more crimes that the CoBIS program.
The people who work for the State Police are dedicated and hard working
and should be thanked for their work and while everyone wish that we had
some magic program that would solve crimes and catch criminals, this does
not look like the program. I am sure that no one is more disappointed
in the program than those people who are working for the program but they
should not despair, the anti-gunners in the Senate and Assembly want to
expand the program to include the all long guns and a bullet from any
gun that does not eject a shell.
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One of the standard anti-gun
ploys is to send out a petition to police chiefs, mayors, and others asking
support for some anti-gun legislation. The letter states that the anti-gun
legislation will ban only bad guns that criminals use so everyone should
sign the petition and support the legislation. Then when all of the forms
come back the anti-gun group issues a press release saying that XX number
of people support the legislation. What the anti-gun groups never do is
to inform the people who they ask to sign the petition what the real impact
of the bill will be or who actually wrote the bill that they are promoting,
or release, as part of their press release, a copy of the petition, how
many they sent out and how many responded.
That is exactly what New Yorkers Against
Gun Violence has done with a petition in support of A2466,
S5504
and A2837.
A2466 & S5504 relate to banning the possession, sale or manufacture
of assault weapons by expanding the definition of what an assault weapon
is. A2837 bans, (again,) exploding ammo and "Armor piercing ammunition"
as any ammo that contains "CERAMICS, OR POLYMER PLASTICS ".
It also bans "FRANGIBLE AMMUNITION" that is "ANY AMMUNITION
WITH A PROJECTILE OR PROJECTILE CORE COMPOSED OF HYBRID MATERIALS, EITHER
PRESSED TOGETHER AT HIGH PRESSURE OR GLUED TOGETHER WITH ADHESIVES, WHICH
IS CAPABLE OF BEING USED IN PISTOLS OR REVOLVERS AND IS DESIGNED TO FRACTURE
OR DISINTEGRATE UPON IMPACT" or in other words many of the most popular
hunting and personal defense rounds. Even some of the new "Green"
environmentally friendly non lead ammo would be banned.
NYAGV has a copy of their press release
on their web site at http://www.nyagv.org/Press%20Releases/June%2016%202005%20awb%20leo%20release.htm,
but they fail to have a copy of the petition or who signed it posted on
their web site and their press release does not even mention ammo bill.
(They really don't want people to know who signed the petition.)
New Yorkers Against
Gun Violence
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City of Albany Police Dept. Amherst Police Dept. Village of Amityville Police Dept. City of Amsterdam Police Dept. Town of Bethlehem Police Dept. Binghamton Police Dept. Town of Carmel Police Dept. Town of Cheektowaga Police Dept. Cooperstown Police Dept. Town of Fishkill Police Dept. Village of Frankfort Police Dept. Village of Fredonia Police Dept. Freeport Police Dept. Garden City Police Dept. Geneva Police Dept. Germantown Police Dept. Glens Falls Police Dept. Glenville Police Dept. City of Gloversville Police Dept. Village of Great Neck Estates Police Dept. Guilderland Police Dept. Village of Hamburg Police Dept. Hempstead Police Dept. Johnson City Police Dept. Kensington Police Dept. City of Lackawanna Police Dept. Lake Placid Police Dept. Liberty Police Dept. |
Village of Lowville Police Dept. Lynbrook Police Dept. Malone village Police Dept. Town of Mt. Pleasant Police Dept. Nassau County Police Dept. Town of New Castle Police Dept. New Rochelle Police Dept. Town of New Windsor Police Dept. Ogdensburg Police Dept. Old Westbury Police Dept. City of Olean Police Dept. City of Oneida Police Dept. Port Washington Police Dept. Quogue Village Police Dept. City of Rochester Police Dept. Village of Southampton Police Dept. City of Tonawanda Police Dept. Town of Tonawanda Police Dept. Watertown Police Dept. Town of West Seneca Police Dept. Franklin County Sheriff Genesee County Sheriff Montgomery County Sheriff Niagara County Sheriff Oneida County Sheriff Otsego County Sheriff Westchester County Dept. of Public Safety |
I have called several of the
people listed and most of them are just anti-gun and would really like
to ban most semi-automatic firearms. I asked several questions including,
"Did you know that this bill would ban handguns used in the Olympic
competition?" "Did you know that this bill would ban many handguns
and long guns that are used in other competition across the state including
the NY State Empire Games and the CMP Program?" Did you know that
this bill was written by an anti-group from Washington D.C. that was originally
called National Coalition to Ban Handguns?"
Most of the people that I talked to ended
up really upset with me for calling them and ended up hanging up on me
even though I was nice and was just questing them about what they knew
about the bill. None of them really knew anything about the bill other
than it would ban "assault weapons." When I asked one person
the Olympic and state/CMP competition question all he could say was he
did not know anything about the guns that were used and would not make
a comment. One person that I talked to did seem a little embarrassed by
the end of our discussion or at least worried that signing the list might
cost him some votes.
The worse thing is that none of the people who
I have talked to could really discuss any specific aspects of this bill
and were totally unaware that many of the guns that we normally use in
competition and hunting would be banned and that we would not be able
to sell or give away the guns or even used them in self defense if someone
was breaking into our home.
THIS IS NOT GOING AWAY!!
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The Court relies almost exclusively on this Court’s prior cases to derive today’s far-reaching, and dangerous, result. See ante, at 8–12. But the principles this Court should employ to dispose of this case are found in the Public Use Clause itself, not in Justice Peckham’s high opinion of reclamation laws, see supra, at 11. When faced with a clash of constitutional principle and a line of unreasoned cases wholly divorced from the text, history, and structure of our founding document, we should not hesitate to resolve the tension in favor of the Constitution’s original meaning. |
One can imagine this dissenting opinion being at the end of a ruling finding that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is only a state right except with "Right to Keep and Bear Arms: instead of "Public Use Clause" and the reference to some other Justices "high Opinion" of gun laws listed and deriving their finding on "Prior cases" that are in error.
I did not want to drop these cartoons
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