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News from the Orange County NY, NY State and the Nation of interest to gun owners and sportsmen
NOVEMBER 2003 Newsletter
Gander Mountain to open Middletown store in Spring Gander Mountain to open Middletown store in Spring
David Dirks column highlighted in 11/5/03 NRA-ILA Daily Site Update David Dirks column highlighted in 11/5/03 NRA-ILA Daily Site Update
Election results Election results
Lead at Orange County Community College range OK Lead at Orange County Community College range OK
David Dirks column highlighted in 11/5/03 NRA-ILA Daily Site Update OCFSC's Annual Dinner biggest ever


Gov. Mario Pataki V AG Spitzer in 06 elections. Gov. Mario Pataki V AG Spitzer in 06 elections.
2001 United States Unintentional Injuries Channel 7, WABC NYC does Pink Pistol Story


Will the Justices Bite the Bullet? Will the Justices Bite the Bullet?
Fewer guns, more death Fewer guns, more death
Do Bullets Tell Tales? (US News & World Report) Do Bullets Tell Tales?
2001 United States Unintentional Injuries 2001 United States Unintentional Injuries
Symantec Says No To Pro-Gun Sites A BIG VICTORY FOR DAISY . . .
Story Claiming "Symantec Says No To Pro-Gun Sites," is wrong Story Claiming "Symantec Says No To Pro-Gun Sites," is wrong
Disney and PETA now Firmly in Bed with Each Other Disney and PETA now Firmly in Bed with Each Other

Info on Bill to end lawsuits against gun makers.

AU's Gun lobbyist's sights on $8m claim. " GUN rights campaigner and dealer Ron Owen will pursue an $8.2 million claim against both the state and federal governments following his historic victory against firearms fraud charges in a Gympie court this week." The Democrats' Assault (on) Weapons By Lowell Ponte, FrontPageMagazine.com | November 4, 2003, "... To working-class rednecks who enjoy hunting, Kerry demonstrated his marksmanship, his skill in killing two birds with two shots. It reminded them of an earlier, freer America in which “gun control” meant a steady hand and a sharp eye.
     To his leftist loyalists Kerry displayed his Marx-manship by mixing these hunter pictures with his usual sermon about how he had hunted since age 12 but never used an AK-47 assault rifle. This was Kerry’s sly wink to the Left that as President he would, like Clinton before him, use every gimmick he could to take guns away from those dumb rednecks. ...
     Democrats might pretend to be gun-friendly to win your vote, but every vote for any Democrat empowers the gun grabbers and controllers. Just as you would be wary of Greeks bearing gifts (like the Trojan Horse), beware of any Democrat bearing arms in a publicity stunt like Senator John Kerry’s ritual killing of animals last weekend."
Some permit holders have committed crimes since law changed in '01, MI, Visions of gun-toting Michiganians creating a Wild West on Saginaw Avenue haven't come to pass since the state's concealed weapons law took effect more than two years ago.      But there have been several incidents involving permit holders, including a rape in Kent County, several assaults and numerous brandishing charges.      "There have been some problems, but overall it's not what people expected," said Michigan State Police Sgt. Greg Varotney.      Of the 90,369 Michiganians permitted to carry concealed weapons between July 1, 2001, and Nov. 3, 313 have been charged with crimes, according to violation reports filed with the state police. Of those, 190 have been convicted, and 196 of the crimes were committed either while using or carrying the licensed gun:

Gun Industry Group Won't Support Renewing Anti-Terrorism Law, To: National Desk, Contact: Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, 202-898-0792      WASHINGTON, Nov. 10 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The leading gun industry trade association opposes legislation to renew the Federal law that makes it illegal to make or own a firearm that cannot be spotted by airport security efforts. (NOTE: This is a press release by Brady talking about how NSSF does not support the ban on plastic guns that can not be seen with x-rays. the article fails to state that a gun of this type has never been made and no one knows how a gun of this type could be made and no company is working on a gun of this type.) SEE: Banning "Terrorist Specials"? By John R. Lott, Jr.

COPS BUST BLACK-MARKET 'GUN RUN' DUO NY Post ... Gravely wore a baggy black T-shirt with a logo for "Shaolin Ryders" motorcycle club, as he and Taylor pleaded not guilty. Shaolin is a slang name the rap group Wu-Tang Clan coined for Staten Island.
The spin on gun control, By Eli Lehrer and John R. Lott Jr. Gun control used to be such a simple issue to follow. National Democratic candidates supported more restrictions, while most Republicans believed that gun control provided few benefits. Recently, however, the Democratic Party talks about their devotion to the Second Amendment, while President Bush has been pursuing many policies that are no different (and occasionally more restrictive) than those of his opponents.
"Why do we need to know this stuff?" Comment of Douglas Weil of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in an Aug. 2001 Fox News Article about John Lott and his research of 3,054 U.S. counties over a 17-year period resulted in a conclusion that tough gun control laws do not deter crime, but in those states and counties that have adapted concealed-carry laws allowing citizens to carry firearms in public, crime has dropped.

Concealed Carry Permits Fire up Debate Over Workplace Shootings, By Jeff Johnson, CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief, November 18, 2003     (CNSNews.com) - In the crime blotter from Dec. 26, 2000, Louis "Sandy" Javelle's name appeared alongside those of six other victims who had been shot to death by a disgruntled co-worker at Edgewater Technologies, Inc., in Wakefield, Mass.      Javelle distinguished himself that day by trying to delay and disarm the gunman, 42-year-old Michael McDermott, before being killed. But Javelle might have saved his own life and at least four others if the concealed handgun permit he held in New Hampshire had allowed him to carry a weapon on his job in neighboring Massachusetts, according to one of Javelle's friends and numerous firearms policy experts.     "Sandy held both a federal firearms license and a permit to carry a handgun in New Hampshire," according to his friend, David Bergquist. "Ironically, the gun laws in Massachusetts prevented him from carrying a concealed handgun. But these same laws did not prevent Michael McDermott from obtaining illegal firearms."

Crossroads for the crossbow,8/12/03, Times Herald-Record     Is it a bow? Well, you draw back a string and shoot arrows with it. But maybe it's a gun. After all, it has a trigger. Just what is the definition of a crossbow? It's a question that divides hunters. They're also divided on whether they should be able to use it.       New York prohibits the use of crossbows for hunting, except for people with severe physical disabilities. And the crossbows themselves must be modified with a device that requires no hand movement, like a breath tube. Hunting with crossbows is permitted in other states, such as Ohio, Michigan and Georgia. "I think there's a place for it," said Frank Carbone, a hunter from the Town of Newburgh. "The way I look at it, it's another hunting implement." ... But Carmen Heitczman, president of the Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs and an avid bowhunter, takes the opposite stance. "I think it'd be a mistake to put it into the hands of everybody," he said. ..... A bill is making its way through both the state Senate and Assembly that proposes legalizing crossbow hunting by July 1, 2005. ... "Are they going to be adequate to harvest the game?" Heitczman said. "Collect data, see the results."

IRS Audits Nation's Top Teachers' Union,
Nov 25,  By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer,   WASHINGTON - The IRS is auditing the nation's largest teachers union, scrutinizing an organization that works energetically to elect candidates but files tax returns reporting zero political expenditures from member dues. FINALLY!!!!

by Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
Here's how endorsed candidates did in yesterday's elections:
  • Cayuga County, City of Auburn Mayor, Republican Party, Tim Lattimore - WINNER in close 4 way race with 44%
  • Herkimer County, County Sheriff, Republican Party, Chris Farber - WINNER
  • Monroe County, Rochester City Judge, Marjorie Byrnes (R) - LOST
  • Monroe County, County Executive, Maggie Brooks (R) - WINNER in landslide
    with 65%
  • Niagara County, County Legislator, William Davigon (D) -WINNER by 32 votes
    in extremely close race
  • Rensselaer County, County Judge, Patrick McGrath (D) - WINNER in an ugly race
  • Suffolk County, Town of Islip Supervisor, Ginny Fields (D) - LOST
     Andy Pelosi of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence will be the guest speaker during a community forum on gun violence at 6:00pm Wednesday 11/19 at the Edward Saunders Community Center, 2777 Bailey Avenue in Buffalo.
      The forum is being hosted by Assemblywoman Crystal Peoples (D-141), Grassroots Inc. and MAD DADS. The event is free to the public. For more information, call 716-897-9714.

CoBIS or Gun "DNA" Watch
Total guns registered in NY as of 11/1/03 = 57,006
Number of guns linked to a crime = 0
Money Spent = $11,000,000


Gander Mountain to open Middletown store in Spring New Store Continues Gander Mountain Expansion In New York Market
Middletown-area Store to Open Next Spring
Front of new  Gander Mountain store in Middletown, NY
Inside of new Gander Mountain store in Middletown, NY

     PART OF GM's PRESS RELEASE: Minneapolis, November 17, 2003 — Middletown-area residents in search of great hunting, fishing and camping merchandise need look no further. Gander Mountain, an outdoor retailer based in Minnesota, is planning to open a 120,000-square foot big-box store to guests in Wallkill, N.Y., in March 2004. The store will be the largest Gander Mountain in the nation and the third Gander Mountain to open in New York since June 2003.
      The Gander Mountain store will soon deliver unique and differentiated outdoor sporting merchandise at great value, while delivering exceptional service through knowledgeable customer services assistants.
      The Gander Mountain store will be located on Crystal Run Plaza in Wallkill. The store will employ a sales staff of approximately 150 people to help provide expert service to area outdoor enthusiasts. In addition, customers will find new features and services including Artic Cat ATV sales and service, full archery technical shop and archery range, gunsmith service, professional fish line winding, a live bait shop, a new cabin décor department and Gander lodge meeting space.
      For the nearest Gander Mountain store location, call 800-282-5993 or visit www.GanderMountain.com.

     The Times Herald-Record article states that the store will be located in the former Wal-Mart building off Route 211 and North Galleria Drive.

David Dirks column highlighted in 11/5/03 NRA-ILA Daily Site Update David Dirks column highlighted in 11/5/03 NRA-ILA Daily Site Update
CLICK HERE TO READ THE WHOLE COLUMN "N.J. off-base in gun-purchasing approach"David Dirks

     David Dirks has an outdoor column about every Tuesday in the Middletown NY, Times Herald-Record. Most of the NRA/ILA Logotime he covers the outdoor events and activities in Orange County and the surrounding area. Every once in a while he does add a political comment and this is one of those columns. He does an excellent job in blasting NJ and their gun laws, so much so, that it was picked up by the NRA and featured in their 11/5/03 NRA-ILA Daily Site Update. Please make sure that you read David's column and it will not hurt to (CLICK HERE TO,) send him an e-mail.

Election results Election results

     The two most important races in Orange County were 98th Assembly District race and the 9th Judicial District State Supreme Court.
     In the NY 98th District Assembly Race between (R) Alan Sorensen and (D) Aileen Gunther, with Aileen Gunther the easy winner.
     Family Court Judge Debra Kiedaisch came in 5th in a "top 3 win" race for the 9th Judicial District State Supreme Court. That means that Orange County will loose a seat in the court.
     Ex-Orange County Sheriff Bigger, (C-R, 532 votes,) lost in his race for Deerpark Supervisor to Mark House, (D, 900 votes.)

The following is what I had on the index page before the election.

     The biggest two in Orange County this year will be the race for NY 98th District Assembly seat and the vacant judgeship in the State Supreme Court in the 9th Judicial District.
     The NY 98th District Assembly seat was left open because of the death of Jake Gunther. The race is between Jake Gunther's wife, (D) Aileen Gunther and, (R) Alan Sorensen. (CLICK HERE FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS VERY IMPORTANT RACE.)
      The Second race will be for the State Supreme Court in the 9th Judicial District. Family Court Judge Debra Kiedaisch had decided to run as the Democratic candidate for the district that Judge Kidash at the OCFSC Annual Dinnercovers five counties. If Judge Kiedaisch wins this election Orange County will retain a Judge to represent Orange County and Judge Kiedaisch does issue unrestricted licenses and would have to be rated as a B+ or A. If she does win that will open up another Family Court Judge position that we will have to work hard on getting a pro-gun Judge in. (Local Republicans wanted Judge Rosenwasser for the position but Republicans from Westchester/Rockland had the votes to take away a position from Orange County. The position is held by a Judge from Orange County now but a required retirement because of age is creating a vacant judgeship. Judge positions do not have a primary but the person running in the general election is chosen by committee and Orange does not have the pull to override what Westchester/Rockland want.)
     10/30/03- The Times Herald-Record has even approved Judge Kiedaisch for most of the same reasons that I do even though I do not think that how she stands on issuing unrestricted pistol licenses had any impact on their decision.

This a copy of a Political Advertisement from the T H-R
9th Judicial District
Republican Proposal
One Judge for every
A Supreme Court Judge is elected for 14 years.
Don't let Rockland and Westchester steal a Judge from us! Our population is larger than Rockland's. We are the fastest growing county in the state!
Vote Orange only - cast one vote - not three
( Why only place one vote when you are suppose to vote for 2 or more? This is called "BULLET" voting. In this type of race the top 3 vote getters win. If you vote for anyone else who gets more votes than the person that you want in then your other votes are really votes to defeat the person that you want to win.)

      Of course local election are important and it is important that we elect people who understand our issues. It may not seem important but that person who you elect to the Planning Board could rule on your club's request or that Mayor or other office holder could call for no hunting in an area that you or your club post or leases.

Lead at Orange County Community College range OK Lead at Orange County Community College range OK
Click here for the May 6, 2003 T H-R article " SUNY shooting range targeted"

Click here for the Aug. 22, 2003 T H-R article " College writes to users of faulty firing range

     In May the T H-R had an article about one of the firearms instructors who had health problems that he claimed where contributed to by the poor ventilation at the range were he taught at the Orange County Community College in Middletown. The school has been offering a course, 'Safe & Legal Use of Firearms and Ammunition," that I took. The once a week course used 22 Cal. rifles over 12 weeks and, as far as I can remember, we only had to have 100 rounds for the whole course. The following is the letter that I got from the college.

     According to our records, you were enrolled in a course at the College, which required the use of the Rifle/Pistol Range between 1994 and 2003. We are contacting you to make you aware of the questions recently raised regarding the environmental conditions in the Range during that period.
     As a result of the issues brought to the College's attention regarding the use of the Range during the period indicated above, the College contracted with an independent testing firm, Quality Environmental Solutions and Technologies, Inc. to conduct appropriate environmental tests.
     Quality Environmental Solutions and Technologies, Inc., conducted a visual inspection and analytical tests. The results of the visual inspection as well as analytical samples collected do not indicate mercury contamination of the range.
     In the Range, two samples were collected and analyzed for the presence of airborne lead. Both samples collected were below the limit of detection for the analytical method.
     Wipe samples were also collected from within the HVAC system, which did detect the presence of lead dust. Although the levels of lead dust in these samples is not above any current standard for HVAC systems, the college will as a precautionary measure conduct a through cleaning of the HV AC system .
     If you have any questions this issue or wish to have copies of the testing reports, please call or write to:
Mr. John Aherne
Director of Safety and Security
Orange County Community College 115 South Street
Middletown, NY 10940
Telephone: (845) 341- 4932
J. Daniel Bloomer
Vice President for Administration

David Dirks column highlighted in 11/5/03 NRA-ILA Daily Site Update OCFSC's Annual Dinner biggest ever
Tables Some of the Bucket Prizes

The Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs had their annual dinner Door prizesand it was the best one ever. Over 180 people attended and over $3,000 worth of prizes from raffles and door prizes were given out. Most of the prizes were donated by local businesses, clubs and individuals. Every gun store, range, bait store, butcher, taxidermists or gun smith in Orange County contacted donated something. Many items were worth over $100.

MPRA "Club of the Year"

     Bill Diana and Carmine Montalbano accept the "Club of the Year" Don Faenza,  "Sportsman of the Year"award, and Don Faenza was awarded the "Sportsman of the Year" award.

"Wall of Prizes"    The "Wall of Prizes" this year not only included guns of many types but also a SAFE, a Dillion 550B reloading press with tumbler, scale and everything else you needed to start reloading and a shotgun reloader with everything you would need to make 1,000 rounds of 12 Gauge shotgun shells to choose from if you won the raffle. We picked two winners and they both chose to take a gun. Two other guns were also given away, one gun as a raffle and another gun as one of the BONUS BUCKET prizes.Gun Winner

     For the people who attended we want to thank you for your support. If you were not able to attend this years Dinner please plan to attend next years dinner planned for Oct. 15th and we hope that it will be bigger and better with even more prizes.
     I have started the Photo Album. It is very big so it will take a few moments to download. If you only have dial up connection it will take a very long time. It is not finished so check back in a few more days to see the whole thing.



Gov. Mario Pataki V AG Spitzer in 06 elections. Gov. Mario Pataki V AG Spitzer in 06 elections.

     As reported in the past, (March 03,) the election in 06 is going to be between Pataki and Spitzer. Spitzer has the money and now even Assembly Dictator Sheldon Silver has announced that he is backing Spitzer even before Spitzer has officially announced. Spitzer is going to be very, very hard to beat. Spitzer is smart, very good looking, a good talker and knows his politics. He also has the credentials that will make the leftist swoon. He is anti-gun and has brought the lawsuits against gun makers, (that he has lost in every court.) He has also made a name of himself arresting and bringing lawsuits against businesses, stock brokers, mutual funds and other groups that the left loves to hate. What makes it even worse is that most of the arrest and lawsuits are valid and really the only complaint has been that when someone pleads or is found guilty, most if not all of the money that the person or company is fined ends up in NY States bank accounts and not in the accounts of the victims.
     We expect that Gov. Marion Pataki will start becoming more conservative in the next months rather than the courting the leftist groups that helped win him his this third term as Gov. in 02. Expect him to start comming around asking for our support because he will not have the money to offer the unions that he had the last time and he can not offer 1/2 of what Spitzer can offer to the left.

2001 United States Unintentional Injuries Channel 7, WABC NYC does Pink Pistol Story

Pink Pistols Logo     "More about "The Pink Pistols", (New York-WABC, November 18, 2003) — Tuesday night on Eyewitness News at 11:00pm, Bill Ritter reports on the Pink Pistols.: ... It was a very long report and showed some members of the group at a range shooting and covered the groups purpose and goals. It was not totally bad but in general it was negative. It talked about how the Pink Pistols had 36 chapters in the US but none in NYC though they did talk to one person wanted to start one in NYC. To sum it up I would say that they took the approach that some places it might be OK for gays to defend themselves when attacked but using guns is going too far and not something most gays in NYC would ever want to do.


Will the Justices Bite the Bullet? Will the Justices Bite the Bullet?
by Tony Mauro, Legal Times, 11-24-2003

For more than six decades, the Supreme Court has ducked the opportunity to examine the real meaning of the Second Amendment's promise of the right to "keep and bear arms."
      Now, some advocates of gun rights are hoping the Supreme Court will finally bite the bullet and grant review in Silveira v. Lockyer, No. 03-51, a challenge to California's strict 1999 assault weapon ban. The case is one of dozens the justices are set to discuss at their private conference Wednesday. A decision by the Court whether to grant review could be announced as soon as Dec. 1. The Court also meets in conference Dec. 5.
      ... Other factions in the gun rights legal community have not been as enthusiastic about Silveira, and there was considerable debate over whether it should have been pressed before the 9th Circuit or appealed to the Supreme Court.
      The National Rifle Association opposed the Silveira plaintiffs at the circuit level, arguing they did not have standing. Now that the case is before the Supreme Court, the NRA has filed an amicus brief supporting Supreme Court review.
Everyone should read the WHOLE ARTICLE. It is not that long but has some good information.

Fewer guns, more death Fewer guns, more death
10/10/03 © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

     Gun-control enthusiasts in the United States and western Europe have a lot to answer for on the heels of two reports last week that prove, beyond a doubt, the barbaric lunacy of ensuring citizens are defenseless against armed criminal threats.
      In the first, a British paper reported authorities have seen a 35 percent increase in gun violence in 2002 – not so ironically, in the sixth year since Parliament passed a law banning personal ownership of most firearms.
     ... "It was hoped the measure would reduce the number of handguns available to criminals. Now handgun crime is at its highest since 1993," said the Observer. "New laws that make carrying a firearm an offence with a mandatory five-year sentence have won little favor with officers on the street. 'It changes nothing,' said one drug squad detective who asked to remain anonymous."
     Meanwhile, here in the States, a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released last week found no conclusive evidence gun-control laws curb violent crime, suicides by firearms or firearms-related accidents.
     The study found "inconclusive evidence" that gun-control laws, which include entire bans of certain classes of weapons, have any appreciable effect on gun-related violence.
     Interestingly enough, where gun control is the staunchest – New York City, Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, and other major urban centers – Britain-like handgun and rifle bans, some analyses contend, are doing little more than filling morgues with innocent, unprotected, law-abiding citizens.

Do Bullets Tell Tales? (US News & World Report) Do Bullets Tell Tales? (US News & World Report)

     "Do bullets tell tales?" is a long article highlighting the problems with two of the corner stones of Forensic science that deal with matching a bullet to a crime, the so called "Gun DNA" and analysis of the lead in bullets.

  • "Gun DNA" What makes a "sufficient" match is often just an examiner's opinion. Microscopic nicks and imperfections on gun-making tools can leave the same impressions on multiple guns. The flaws on gun components--and the marks they leave on bullets--can change over time. And proficiency tests show that examiners do make errors; one study of tests from 1978 to 1991 found an error rate of 12 percent. The test-takers almost always erred by saying " inconclusive" instead of the correct answer, and false matches were rare. But examiners know when they're taking a test for a grade. In the real world, they may more readily declare a "match" in a borderline case.
  • "Lead analysis" National Academy of Sciences is going to issue a report soon about how unique the lead in each batch of bullets are. Other studies have "found that batches of lead actually aren't necessarily unique, raising the chance of a random match."

2001 United States Unintentional Injuries 2001 United States Unintentional Injuries
Ages 1-4, All Races, Both Sexes

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Center for Injury Prevention and Control
Produced by: Office of Statistics and Programming, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, CDC. Data Source: National Center for Heath Statistics (NCHS) Vital Statistics System for numbers of deaths.

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CPSC Press Release, Daisy Manufacturing Co. Settle Lawsuit Concerning Powerline Airguns

     Avoiding a financially devastating recall of two popular air rifle models, Daisy, the manufacturer whose products are synonymous with youngsters learning to shoot, agreed to a settlement today in its lawsuit with the Consumer Product Safety Commission (http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml04/04033.html). The CPSC's suit, which was filed in 2001 by then-Commissioner Ann Brown, a Clinton appointee, claimed that the Daisy's air guns were defectively designed. Following two years of discovery, CPSC approved a consent agreement and in a statement issued today by CPSC Commissioner Mary Sheila Gall, she concluded, "There is very little credible evidence that the Model 856 and 880 air rifles, in either their present or past configurations, represent a 'substantial product hazard.'" Responding to the settlement, Daisy's vice president of marketing, Joe Murfin, said, "Unsafe behavior is at the root of air gun accidents," and he pointed out that Daisy has always aggressively promoted safe handling of its products through its "Take Aim at Safety" program, which instills safe and proper handling of firearms among those young adults for whom the company's products are intended. In the settlement, Daisy agreed to undertake a $1.5 million dollar campaign to provide more frequent and enhanced safety warnings on its air rifles, to include similar warnings with BB packaging and to continue to participate in voluntary standard-setting efforts with members of its industry and consumers. "This entire litigation was unwarranted and ill-conceived. Daisy's enhanced safety warnings and other voluntary measures could have been implemented years ago, something NSSF had urged the CPSC to consider before it filed its lawsuit," said Lawrence Keane, vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association of the firearms industry. Keane's view was shared by Commissioner Gall who expressed her "extreme dissatisfaction" with the way this case was brought and handled and how Daisy was treated by the CPSC. Gall, who had in 2001 voted against bringing the case, said that in her 11 years on the Commission and in her 30 years of government service she had "never seen a more outrageous miscarriage of justice and abuse of the process of public policy." Gall said the evidence in the case showed that former Commissioner Brown had ordered the case against Daisy "be removed from the ordinary process of Commission staff review because [Brown] did not like the conclusions of [career staff]."

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Symantec Says No To Pro-Gun Sites Story Claiming "Symantec Says No To Pro-Gun Sites," is wrong

      I talked to Phil Weiler, Senior Public Relations Manager for Symantec, and he said that this is not true. That Symantec has been contacted by many groups and that they have all been told the same thing. That this feature is not turned on by default and that when you install the program, (or at any time,) you can turn this feature on and then you have to select what catagories of web sites to block, weapons being one of 20 or so catagories.   

 Posted by timothy on Sunday November 02, @02:17PM      "A recent American Rifleman contained small column that said that Symantec's new Internet Security 2004 would block pro gun rights sites (i.e. NRA sites), while not blocking similar anti-gun rights web sites. Being the eternal skeptic, this claim was tested by downloading the trial version and running some tests against it. To my surprise I found the every NRA site was blocked and was in the category 'weapons.' This even included the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action. Some sites that were not blocked were notable anti-gun rights sites such as The Brady Campaign, and Good Bye Guns. The only anti-gun rights site that was blocked that I could find was Hand Gun Control's web site." Read on for more.

Disney and PETA now Firmly in Bed with Each Other Disney and PETA now Firmly in Bed with Each Other

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:18:02 -0800
From: "Jeff Christensen" <Tnusa-NW@earthlink.net>
Subject: Disney and PETA now Firmly in Bed with Each Other

PETA now has Disney's "Nemo" movie character integrated into their anti-fishing campaign. The website is here: http://www.peta.org/feat/nemo/
      This page includes a printable handout for kids featuring Nemo and friends. Here is some of what is on the cute (thanks to the Disney Corporation) and colorful handout for kids to take to school and share with their friends. It is titled "Fish are friends - Not food":

  • "..fish are a lot like us. They make friends with other fish and talk to one another through gurgles squeaks, squeals and other underwater sounds."
  • "Being hooked hurts."
  • "'I would never eat anyone I know personally. I wouldn't deliberately eat a grouper any more than I would eat a cocker spaniel. They're so good natured, so curious. You know, fish are sensitive, they have personalities, they hurt when they're wounded.' -- Dr. Sylvia Earle, former chief scientist of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration'"
  • "Contact PETA for a supply of 'Fish are Friends, Not Food' stickers and share their fish-friendly message with your friends."
  • (The stickers, no doubt, feature the cute little Disney movie character " Nemo" and his friends just like the handout does thanks [again] to Disney Corporation)

      I don't think so. Let's make sure they do.

Hunters and fishermen are and have been the backbone of wildlife conservation and conservation funding for a 100 years. Millions of kids and their families enjoy fishing and the outdoor experience. PETA, Disney, and every animal rights organization is working to end this.
      Regards, Jeff Christensen

Source: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_827281.html
      Disney joins forces with pro-fish activists Story filed: 13:55 Thursday 9th October 2003

Pro-fish activists have won permission from Disney to adapt a film poster for Finding Nemo to help promote vegetarianism to youngsters.
      Pressure group Peta says it is using the cartoon characters on leaflets, along with a two-metre tall fish, to persuade children not to eat fish.
      The film features a shark who attends a support group for vegetarians which uses the Peta slogan prominently.
      A spokesman for Peta (People of the Ethical Treatment of Animals) said: " We were delighted to see our tag-line 'Fish are friends not food' in the Finding Nemo movie.
      "The slogan is even being used on Finding Nemo pyjamas."
      "We hope that after seeing Finding Nemo, children will agree that fish belong in the ocean, not on dinner plates."

      How does it feel to have "the happiest place on earth" help the Animal Rights movement to END fishing? Sportsmen contribute $1.5 BILLION to wildlife conservation annually. About half of that funding comes from fishermen. Please tell Disney what you think about this.
500 S Buena Vista St.
Burbank, California 91521
Tel: (818) 560-1000
Fax: FX - USA (818) 560-1930
(11-1-03 UPDATE: No email for Disney has yet been found)

While you're at it:
Zebco offers Disney character fishing poles for kids:
6505 Tower Lane
Claremore, OK 74017
1-800-588-9030, Monday through Friday, 8:30a.m. to 4:45p.m. CST

 my 2 cents I visited the web site and found the following:"All Images (c) Disney Enterprises, Inc./Pixar Animation Studios. All rights reserved."

Info on Bill to end lawsuits against gun makers.

      I do not know what is going on with the bill to end the lawsuits against the gun makers but here is what you can do and who who can call at this time.

    The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, the Million Mom March united with the Brady Campaign, and States United to Prevent Gun Violence are urging all anti-gunners to "call your Senators" to keep S. 659, S. 1805 and S. 1806 from coming to the Senate floor by using a filibuster! These are the bills that will prevent anti-gunners from using the court system to punish innocent people for the things criminals do with guns. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. has enough votes to pass so the anti-gunners only hope is to use the filibuster. That way they only need 40 votes to defeat the bill instead of 51. This law will not prevent anyone from bringing a lawsuit against anyone who commits a crime involving guns as the anti-gunners claim.

  • WHAT YOU SHOULD DO: Urge your U.S. Senators to SUPPORT S. 659, S. 1805 and S. 1806 and VOTE AGAINST a filibuster of these same bills, AND call Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who controls the Senate schedule, and tell him TO schedule a vote on the legislation.
  • WHEN: Tuesday, November 4, 2003 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM Midwest time zone, 10:00 AM - 11:00 AM Mountain time zone, 9:00 AM - 10:00 AM Pacific Standard Time
    • STEP 1: Between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM EST on Tuesday, November 4, call your U.S. Senators via the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121 and ask to be connected with your U.S. Senators. Urge them to support S. 659, S. 1805 and S. 1806 and to vote against a filibuster of these same bills.
    • STEP 2: Call the Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist at 202-224-3344 and tell him that you support S. 659, S. 1805 and S. 1806 and bring the bills up for a vote
    These Senators will be crucial in passing these three bills. The
    message to these Senators is the same: SUPPORT S. 659, S. 1805 and S. 1806
    and OPPOSE a filibuster of these same bills.

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  • Arizona: Sen. McCain (202) 224-2235
  • Arkansas:
    Sen. Lincoln (202) 224-4843
    Sen. Pryor (202) 224-2353
  • Delaware: Sen. Carper (202) 224- 2441
  • Florida: Sen. Nelson (202) 224-5274
  • Illinois: Sen. Fitzgerald (202) 224- 2854
  • Indiana:
    Sen. Lugar (202) 224- 4814
    Sen. Bayh (202) 224-5623
  • Louisiana:
    Sen. Breaux (202) 224-4623
    Sen. Landrieu (202) 224-5824
  • Minnesota: Sen. Dayton (202) 224-3244
  • New Mexico: Sen. Bingaman (202) 224-5521
  • North Dakota
    Sen. Conrad (202) 224-2043
    Sen. Dorgan (202) 224- 2551
  • Ohio:
    Sen. DeWine (202) 224-2315
    Sen. Voinovich (202) 224-3353
  • Pennsylvania: Sen. Specter (202) 224-4254
  • South Dakota: Sen. Daschle (202) 224-2321
  • Vermont:
    Sen. Jeffords (202) 224-5141
    Sen. Leahy (202) 224-4242
  • Virginia: Sen. Warner (202) 224-2023
  • West Virginia:
    Sen. Byrd (202) 224-3954
    Sen. Rockefeller (202) 224-6472


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