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Master Class 22 Cal. Pin Match results. Master Class 22 Cal. Pin Match results.
Orange County Water Authority Maps Orange County Water Authority Maps
Former Orange County undersheriff indicted Former Orange County undersheriff indicted
WGNY, AM 1220, ends AM talk format WGNY, AM 1220, ends AM talk format
NY 98th District Assembly RaceNY 98th District Assembly Race NY 98th District Assembly Race
Bill Deprospo defeated the 8 year Orange County Chairman John Hicks. Bill DeProspo defeated the 8 year Orange County Chairman John Hicks.
Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Club Dinner will be the best in years. Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Club Dinner will be the best in years.

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NATIONAL NEWS

HCI hawks movie and book.See a Movie! Read a Book! The Brady Staff Recommends...
Senator Tom Daschle, Democrat Senate Minority Leader, cosponsoring legislation to protect firearms manufacturers and dealers against "junk" lawsuits that have been filed across the country seeking to blame them for the criminal misuse of their products. Senator Tom Daschle, Democrat Senate Minority Leader, cosponsoring legislation to protect against "junk" lawsuits against firearms manufacturers and dealers.
CDC report finds CDC report finds "insufficient evidence to conclude whether firearms laws impact rates of violence."
It is OK for Doctors to go after guns but don't go after Doctors who are dealing drugs. It is OK for Doctors to go after guns but don't go after Doctors who are dealing drugs.
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Gun crime spreads 'like a cancer' across Britain Having fun with full autos in KY, a WSJ report.
Suspect wounded after gun goes off in pants Trigger Happy, Meet Long Island's gun lovers who shoot for sport - and aim for fun and camaraderie, newsday.com 10/26/03
Update On D.C.'s Personal Protection Act

CoBIS watch: Number of guns registered 10/1/03 = 54,942
Number of guns connected to a crime=0.0
CoBIS or "GUN DNA" Report

ORANGE COUNTY NEWS

Master Class 22 Cal. Pin Match results. Master Class 22 Cal. Pin Match results.

     Master Class held another Sunday match on Oct 18th. This time it was a 22 Cal. Pistol Plate Match. Schubert, Vlastelica and Parris were in the $$$$$ in Class "A" and Parisi, Utzig and Crigar were in the $$$$$ in Class "B". Parris was also the winner in the Iron Class. 6 people were able to clear all of the pins and everyone had a good time.
     All of the Sunday matches held at Master Class are fun and cheep and a good reason to dust off that handgun and let a few rounds fly. It does not matter what skill level you are, or how long you have been shooting, everyone has fun and everyone has a chance at a money prize. The next one is a Center Fire Steel Plate Match on Sunday Nov. 9th.

Orange County Water Authority Maps Orange County Water Authority Maps

     I have added a new link to my LINKS page. The Orange County Water Authority has some great maps that you might find useful. The website is great and I can not figure out how the webmaster does it. The maps have lots of detail and take a few moments to download. Make sure you have a cable or DSL to download

Former Orange County undersheriff indicted Former Orange County undersheriff indicted
from http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/Thompson_GJ-16Oct03.htm

     Former Orange County Undersheriff John Thompson, who is now a sergeant in the Sheriff's Office, was indicted yesterday by an Orange County grand jury on 13 charges related to alleged election petition fraud.
      Thompson's charges stem from his working on petitions in an effort to get his former boss, then-Sheriff Frank Bigger on the Independence Party line in last November's election.
      Thompson is charged with two counts of criminal possession of a forged instrument in the second degree, two counts of forgery in the second degree, two counts of offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree, two counts of misconduct in relation to petitions, and single counts of tampering with public records in the second degree, falsifying business records in the first degree, official misconduct, criminal solicitation in the fourth degree and conspiracy in the fifth degree.
      It is alleged that in furtherance of that conspiracy, Thompson met with and spoke with co-conspirator Joe Williams at the sheriff's door within the Orange County Sheriff's Department and that he directed a witness to go with Williams to another room in the sheriff's building. It is alleged that Williams told a witness to fill in blank petitions and sign the witness section of those designating petitions. Williams has since died.
      Phillips said that some sheriff's personnel who were asked to assist in the investigation were uncooperative and tried to impede the process.
      Thompson was released on his own recognizance after arraignment yesterday. If convicted, he could receive a sentence of seven years in prison.
      In a related matter, Phillips has asked for the appointment of a special district attorney to investigate allegations raised against Orange County Coroner Patrick Berardinelli, Jr. Rockland County DA Michael Bongiorno has agreed to serve in that capacity. Bongiorno will review information regarding the petitions carried by Berardinelli during the 2002 election cycle, Phillips said. Berardinelli is the son of county legislator Patrick Berardinelli, Sr.

WGNY, AM 1220, ends AM talk format WGNY, AM 1220, ends AM talk formatChris on his last show.

     WGNY ended its 3 hour AM talk format on Friday 10/3/03. Chris Cordani's popular show, that broadcast from 6 AM to 9AM, ended and Chris will be doing news for a while. WGNY will still have several talk shows that are worth tuning in to so check the line up and tune in.
     Chris had a great show and I was a guest several times. He was very supportive of our rights and this program will be missed. He really was able to hold the politicians feet to the fire and his show was open and anyone could call in and any group could get air time.
     I was on his show many times promoting the Orange County Federation, The Friends of the NRA Dinner and OCShooters.com. (I took the picture on the last day of the show.) I hope that he is able to return to the air with a talk format soon.

NY 98th District Assembly RaceNY 98th District Assembly Race NY 98th District Assembly Race
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Alan Sorensen
Aileen Gunther

     Everyone was very sad to learn of the death of Jake Gunther in July. He was one of the, if not the leading Democrat in the Assembly who supported our rights and had even introduced a bill that would have prevented the "frivolous" lawsuits against gun makers and dealers. This November we will elect a new Assembly Member to fill the vacant seat in the 98th District that includes Middletown and other western sections of Orange County. Two people are in the race, Aileen Gunther, Jake Gunther's wife, will carry the Democrat banner and Alan Sorensen will carry the Republican Banner.
     It looks like it will be a hard fought race between two good candidates. Aileen Gunther wants to follow in her husbands foot steps and will get a lot of support. Alan Sorensen, Former Sullivan County Planning Commissioner, has a good background and is well qualified for the job. They can both expect lots of $$$ from Alan Sorensen and wife.their State Committees because this is an off year for Assembly races and this is the only Assembly race in the state.
     The Republicans desperately need another seat in the Assembly because right now they are so outnumbered that they can not even prevent a Veto Override when Gov. Mario Pataki veto's a bill. This race is so important that NYGOP CHAIRMAN Sandy Treadwell attended both announcement events that Sorensen had. Also attending was almost every major Republican leader in the area.
     Aileen Gunther has several things in her favor besides the sympathy vote. The Democrats will also do everything that they can to keep the seat so that they have total control of the Assembly and she has the good will of her name that her husband had. She also has the fact that the district includes some Democrat strong holds like Middletown.
     The main question in the race for many voters is going to be if Aileen Gunther will promise to support the gun owning/ sporting community as her husband did. Sorensen can be expected to support us. If both candidates support us to the same degree then everyone will have to ask the question: Is it better to have a Republican in office who has almost no power in the Assembly and according to Assembly Sheldon Silver's rules can not even have his name on a bill that is voted on in the Assembly, (This rule applies to all Republicans in the Assembly,) or is is better to have a Democrat who can put bills on the floor and can ask other Democrats to vote for them, something no Republican can do. It is going to be a hard decision and it will be up to the candidates to reach out to the local groups and explain their positions.


Sandy Treadwell speaking at the Sorensen kick off in Middletown.

UPDATE

     Both candidates are reaching out to the sportsmen and sportswomen by attending the Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs Annual Dinner.

Bill Deprospo defeated the 8 year Orange County Chairman John Hicks.Bill DeProspo defeated the 8 year Orange County Chairman John Hicks.

     Bill DeProspo was named chairman of the Orange County Republican Committee after defeating the 8 year Chairman John Hicks by a count of 1,436 to 1,173 weighted votes. About 400 local Republicans participated.
     John Hicks had been very supportive of our gun rights. I have yet to talk to DeProspo but I will in the next few weeks.

Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Club Dinner will be the best in years. Orange County Federation of Sportsmen's Club Dinner will be the best in years.

   The Orange County Federation's annual dinner will be on Oct. 10th and it looks like it will be one of the best Some of the prizes for the dinner.dinners in years. Most of the local merchants and businesses have donated prizes and several major manufactures have promised items. Remington has already set some hats, targets and other items as door prizes. All kinds of prizes have been lined up and the "Table of Guns" will have over 35 guns to choose from if you are lucky enough to buy the winning ticket.
     Also at the Dinner the "Sportsman of the Year" and "Club of the Year" will be awarded along with the instillation of the new OCFSC officers. All of the major clubs in the area have reserved tables but we still have plenty of open seats so why not try to attend the Buffet Dinner.

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NATIONAL

HCI hawks movie and book.See a Movie! Read a Book! The Brady Staff Recommends...

     The following is from a October 27, 2003 Handgun Control, B.E.A.R., (Brady E-Action Response network,) Alert:
      "This month, a novel and a movie were both released that contain many themes and events that closely mirror the legal work of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. Rarely does it happen that a fictional story would revolve around the current state of gun policy in this country. But both Richard North Patterson's novel Balance of Power and Dustin Hoffman's new film Runaway Jury depict fighting back against the enormous influence of the gun industry.
      Coincidentally, both Mr. Patterson and Mr. Hoffman appeared on last Thursday's Today Show. Dustin Hoffman mentioned that Dennis Henigan, Director of our Legal Action Project was the prototype for his role in Runaway Jury. And Mr. Patterson discussed how he hoped his book would be a way of educating the public about how the gun control issues are dealt with in the political arena."

      The rest of the alert talks about how great the book and the movie are and that you should take a friend to the movie and buy the book. It also talks about how people who work for HCI wrote the book or helped with the movie.

Democratic Hopefuls Play Down Gun ControlDemocratic Hopefuls Play Down Gun Control
CLICK HERE FOR THE WHOLE ARTICLE AT www.washingtonpost.com

    The Democratics are changing their tune on gun control because they realize the number of votes that they have lost because of their anti-gun stand. Now they have decided to downplay their anti-gun stance that most, but not all, of them hold and instead lie about what they plan to support. Now instead of "gun control" they will be touting "narrow proposals to make guns safer and more difficult for children and criminals to obtain ..." I am sure that laws like NJ's "child-proof" gun safety law that is going to outlaw most handguns in the next few years, laws that require insurance for all guns like those laws being proposed in NYC and NY State, NY States's "gun DNA aka CoBIS" and CA and its vast anti-gun laws are going to be an example of "reasonable laws" that should be adopted by all states "for the children."
     From the article: "Indeed, the Democrats' shift away from gun control is rooted more in politics than in a belief that gun laws do not help prevent crime and death, several Democrats said privately. ...
     A key turning point in the debate over federal laws regulating guns came on election night, when Gore lost West Virginia, Arkansas and even his home state of Tennessee. Many of today's candidates blame the gun issue, in part, for Gore's defeat in those states and others. Gephardt said there's "no doubt" it "hurt" Gore.
     "The gun issue is the silent killer" of Democrats, said Deborah Barron of Americans for Gun Safety, which is tutoring candidates on the gun issue.
     The centrist Democratic Leadership Council, which helped moderate the party's image on trade and taxes in the 1990s, is teaming with Americans for Gun Safety to try to do the same for gun control. Dean and most of his rivals have privately consulted with one or both of the groups on a new approach. Former American for Guns Safety spokesman Matt Bennett recently signed on as communications director for retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark.
     The two groups do not think the candidates should run away from the issue by staying silent, which many are doing on the campaign trail. Instead, the groups are pushing a new mantra some of the candidates are adopting -- "with gun rights come responsibility."
     In some ways, the shift is more rhetorical than substantive. Consider Dean. While Dean appeals to the Democrats' liberal base, including many gun control activists, he portrays himself as the strongest defender of gun owners in the field.
      Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry accused Dean of going overboard by playing to the NRA. "I don't think the Democratic Party should be the party of the NRA or walk away from our values for expedient political reasons," Kerry said.
      Yet "the irony with Dean is his policy positions on guns is exactly the same as" those of his rivals, said Americans for Gun Safety policy director Jim Kessler, who surveyed the candidates' views on gun topics. "But he is making a point about his support for Second Amendment rights and vigorous enforcement. The reason? This works as a strategy."

Senator Tom Daschle, Democrat Senate Minority Leader, cosponsoring legislation to protect firearms manufacturers and dealers against "junk" lawsuits that have been filed across the country seeking to blame them for the criminal misuse of their products. Senator Tom Daschle, Democrat Senate Minority Leader, cosponsoring legislation to protect against "junk" lawsuits against firearms manufacturers and dealers.

NSSF, Press Release, September 29, 2003
DEMOCRAT SENATE LEADER SUPPORTS S.659
Senate Minority leader Tom Daschle has joined the Senate whip and other Democrats in supporting S. 659, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. South Dakota's other Senator, Tim Johnson, is already a co-sponsor of this legislation to prevent the court system from being used to punish innocent people for the things criminals do with guns. There are still several uncommitted Senators who need to hear from voters in their states. Among them, North Dakota's Kent Conrad, Rhode Island Senators Patrick Leahy and Jim Jeffords, Senator Mike DeWine in Ohio, Senator John Warner in Virginia, Senator John Rockefeller in West Virginia, and Indiana Senators Richard Lugar and Evan Bayh. See the NSSF Legislative Action Center to find out where your Senators stand on this legislation critical to the future of the shooting sports in America.

Part of Sen. Daschle's statement:

“The vast majority of gun owners, manufacturers, and sellers are honest and law-abiding,” said Senator Daschle. “It is wrong -- and it is a misuse of the civil justice system -- to try to punish honest, law-abiding people for illegal acts committed by others without their knowledge or involvement. That’s not the way we do things in America. We don’t hold innocent people responsible for acts they are not involved in and over which they have no control.”

     What was Handgun Controls, Inc, (aka Brady Campaign,) response? They sent out a B.E.A.R., (Brady E-Action Response network,) that claimed that S.659 was an, "appalling bill that would give unprecedented legal immunity to the gun industry and bar gun violence victims from suing reckless gun dealers and manufacturers who supply the illegal gun market." The e-mail claimed that even with the changes that Daschle required the bill "will do nothing to protect the rights of gun violence victims." HCI urged everyone to; "TAKE ACTION: PLEASE CALL OR WRITE YOUR SENATORS. URGE THEM TO: 1) Oppose S. 659 and 2) Support a filibuster of the bill." Of course NY's own Sen. UpChuck Schumer is leading the filibuster along with all of the other filibusters that he is leading.

UPDATE: New Yorkers Against Gun Violence is really upset that the bill looks like it is going to pass even though it's web site contains the following in separate press releases:

  •       U.S. Senate Close To Passing Gun Immunity Bill, 10/14/2003. The U.S. Senate appears to have the votes needed to pass the bill that would protect gun makers and distributors from civil lawsuits stemming from crimes in which guns were used, the Associated Press reported Oct. 10. According to Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), 44 Republicans and 10 Democrats are co-sponsors of his bill.
          While the Democrats have threatened a filibuster, 60 votes are required. Craig expects the support of five of the six Republican senators who are not co-sponsors of the bill to give him the votes necessary to break the filibuster. "I think I have my 60 votes to proceed when necessary," Craig said.
  •      Senator Daschle has Heard You: Let's Get the Word to All Senators, 10/3/2003. We're hearing that Senator Daschle has been getting a lot of heat from our side as a result of the Senator's cosponsorship of the immunity bill (S. 659)! Congratulations!!!!!! Your communications are an important reminder that the vast majority of Americans support the Million Mom March agenda, not the extremist positions of the NRA.
          And, the fight to protect gun violence victims IS NOT OVER.

Make sure that you do your part and call Sen. Daschle and others and thank them for supporting the bill!

UPDATE 10/16/03

     It really looks like the bill might pass the Senate with enough to over-ride the filibuster. The following is from a 10/16/03 Handgun Control, B.E.A.R., (Brady E-Action Response network,) Alert.

ACTION ALERT!      Contact your U.S. Senators TODAY, Thursday, October 16, 2003, and ask them to oppose S. 659 and support a filibuster of S.659.
     S. 659 is dangerous special interest legislation would take away the legal rights of gun violence victims and give sweeping legal immunity to the gun industry - immunity that no other industry enjoys.
      This legislation is unconscionable in light of the gun violence that continues to take a terrible toll on our nation. Across the country, judges have upheld the right of gun violence victims to hold negligent gun manufacturers and dealers accountable for their reckless and irresponsible actions.

CDC report finds CDC report finds "insufficient evidence to conclude whether firearms laws impact rates of violence."
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PRESS RELEASE
THE REPORT

     (I am sure that much to everyone's surprise,) CDC report contained the following:

Summary

During 2000--2002, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services (the Task Force), an independent nonfederal task force, conducted a systematic review of scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of firearms laws in preventing violence, including violent crimes, suicide, and unintentional injury. The following laws were evaluated: bans on specified firearms or ammunition, restrictions on firearm acquisition, waiting periods for firearm acquisition, firearm registration and licensing of firearm owners, "shall issue" concealed weapon carry laws, child access prevention laws, zero tolerance laws for firearms in schools, and combinations of firearms laws. The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes. (Note that insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness should not be interpreted as evidence of ineffectiveness.) This report briefly describes how the reviews were conducted, summarizes the Task Force findings, and provides information regarding needs for future research.

It is OK for Doctors to go after guns but don't go after Doctors who are dealing drugs. It is OK for Doctors to go after guns but don't go after Doctors who are dealing drugs.
WorldNetDaily.com, 10/2/03 article: Doctors' group blasts administration: Claims White House punishing physicians for misdeeds of patients

     The Doctors like the American Medical Association's President Richard F. Corlin, MD who attacked guns in his Inaugural address in July 2001 are against guns. (CLICK HERE TO SEE MY ARTICLE) But when a Doctor, who Federal prosecutors say they have on tape discussing a co-conspirator's drug dealing in Tennessee before issuing him more prescriptions is arrested, what does Kathryn Serkes, a spokeswoman for the Tucson, Arizona-based American Association of Physicians and Surgeons say? "Physicians are being threatened, impoverished, delicensed and imprisoned for prescribing in good faith with the intention of relieving pain."
     One attorney, said that his client has followed accepted medical practice when prescribing to his patients – procedures also accepted by the Virginia Board of Medicine, and that the Doctor "is a licensed doctor. The illegality happened down the road from him. If patients choose to misbehave, he can't control that." Lets see if I get this right? A Doctor gives prescriptions for excessive doses of opioid analgesics to a person who the Doctor knows is a drug dealer, (also know as a criminal,) and he should not be punished. But, a gun dealer sells a gun to a person who is approved by the Federal Government. That person then sells the gun to a criminal but the gun dealer and the gun maker should be punished.

 

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