ORANGE COUNTY NEWS
Master Class 22 Plate Match Report
Master Class had another
fun 22 Caliber Pistol Plate Catch on Nov. 7th. Over 20 people shot for
score in both Red Dot and Iron Sights Class. Three people shot clean
with several more people almost making it. Using the "Lewis Scoring
System," 9 people ended up "in the money" and as usual,
more people than that left with an extra pound or two from all of the
food. The next event is set for Nov. 28th and will be a Center Fire
Steel Plate Match. I hope to see you there.
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Teenage re-enactor won't face gun charge
by Christian M. Wade, Times
Crawford - A misdemeanor weapons charge
against a 17-year-old Pine Bush High School Student has been dropped.
Crawford Town Justice Michael Heckman agreed
to drop the charges against Joshua Phelps as long as he stays out of trouble
for the next six months, his mother, Valerie Michaels, said last night.
"We are very pleased with the court's
decision," she said, after emerging from a closed-door court hearing
in Crawford Town Court last night.
Phelps was arrested Oct. 12 for bringing
a replica of a Civil War-era musket to school and was charged with fourth-degree
criminal possession of a firearm, a misdemeanor punishable by up to a
year in jail.
Because he is a juvenile facing a misdemeanor
weapons charge, the decision by the Orange County district attorney's
office to drop the charges was announced in the judge's chambers.
Phelps was joined by several friends who
came to support him. A middle-age man, who identified himself as a Revolutionary
War re-enactor, showed up in a full militia uniform. He was not armed.
"I'm just glad to be able get on with
my life," Phelps said out-side the court last night. "This whole
experience has taught me a lesson."
Phelps was arrested three weeks ago after
a high school security guard spotted a replica musket in Phelps' car in
the school parking lot.
The school district suspended him for five
days, and then tacked on 16 more days a week later at a disciplinary hearing.
Phelps was a member of the famed Orange
Blossoms, a Montgomery-based Civil War re-enactment group whose members
model themselves after the original regiment, which was mustered into
action from Orange County in the summer of 1862. He joined the high school's
Civil War Club two years ago, after seeing an ad for the school-sponsored
After participating in a re-enactment of
epic 1863 Battle of Chancellorsville, phelps said he put the musket, along
with his blue Union soldier's uniform and equipment, in his car and forgot
Two days later, a security guard saw the
musket and called police.
Under the Pine Bush School District's policy,
the B-average student could have been suspended for up to a year. The
school district has refused to discuss the matter.
Town of Crawford police and school officials
said they were simply following state and federal protocol for incidents
involving weapons found on public school grounds.
I still don't understand why the kid had
the gun at school. It is my understanding that he was suppose to
turn the gun in after the event and I can not see how he could have
not known that he should not take the gun to school and it is just
plain stupid that he did not have the gun covered up and/or in the
trunk of his car! No one should ever leave any kind of gun
in a car for days. The Pine
Bush School has every right to punish someone with
a "facsimile" gun because that is what the "Code
of Conduct" allows. While Pine Bush has gotten a lot of
hate mail, it does not appear that they have really done anything
wrong, and if anything, have given the kid a break. I understand
that the reenactors have changed their procedures and I can not
understand why they did not call the mother and tell her to take
possession of the Musket after they found out that the kid did not
turn it in. The same is not true of the police.
I still don't understand why court
did not just drop the charges. NY state law does not make it a crime
to bring a replica gun onto school grounds as far as I can tell.
The police had no reason to arrest Phelps at the school. They should
have taken Phelps and the gun back to the police station to find
out more about the gun. I am sure that Phelps told the police that
the gun was a replica and could not fire a real bullet.
LAW S 265.00 Definitions.
11. "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned,
made or remade, and
intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned
made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic
cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore
each single pull of the trigger.
S 265.01 Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree.
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth
degree when: ...
(3) He knowingly has in his possession a rifle, shotgun or firearm
or upon a building or grounds, used for educational purposes, of
school, college or university, ... without the written
authorization of such educational institution;
NEW YORK STATE NEWS
NY's Assault Weapons Ban impact after the end of the Clinton Federal AWB
Because the Federal Assault Weapons Ban
ended on 9/13/04, NY gun owners are going to have to be careful because
several of the provisions of the NY State AWB relied on the Clinton AWB
ban being in place. When it was passed the NY AWB was touted to not have
an impact because it mirrored the Federal AWB. In truth, the NY AWB had
some changes in the wording and did not include the sunset provision that
was in the Federal AWB. Now that the Clinton AWB is no more, everyone
in NY is going to have to make sure that they follow the law and when
they buy a new magazine or gun, you are going to have to make sure that
it complies with the NY AWB and if it does not, that it is "grand
fathered" by being made before the 9/13/94 date.
If you purchase a "used pre-ban"
magazine you are going to have to make sure that it is really "pre-ban"
and not one made after the end of the ban. Take Glock for instance, I
talked to the Production Manager for Glock who said that when the Federal
AWB went into place, they had to move the markings on the Magazines that
gave the caliber up on the magazine body so that the other required wording,
(For Police ...,) would fit. Now that they are making +10 magazines for
the rest of the country, they dropped the extra wording and only have
the Caliber of the magazine but they did not move where it was so now
it still high on the magazine and so identifiable as a post federal ban
mag. They have made some other minor changes but they would not be something
that would be easily noticeable.
For guns you will have to check when the
gun was made and what configuration it was made in if you want to comply
with the NY AWB. You might buy a gun that you are being told is a "Pre-Ban"
gun but when you check the serial number with the maker you will find
that it is a "Post-Ban" gun or that it was made during the ban
as a legal gun but someone added features that make it an illegal firearm
under the NY AWB.
For a look at the NY AWB please look at
OCShooters.com's special report:
Bill S08234, NY's Assault Weapons Ban
CHANGES IN MAGAZINES
NOTE: if a mag was repaired and the tube was replaced somewhere along
the magazine might still be legal.
Note where the Caliber marking is and how
it was moved up on the LEO and Post ban.
Another telling feature of new mags is the 'smooth' or 'beveled'
sides as compared to the older design with the shoulder. LEO
or 10 round 'Clinton' mags can be either way.
PATAKI MAN SLAMS BUSH
POST Article By FREDRIC U. DICKER & ABBY
November 10, 2004 -- ALBANY — Gov. Pataki's top political adviser
has trashed President Bush, attacked the "Christian right,"
and said Bush's re-election means Pataki can't become president in 2008.
The shocking comments by Arthur Finkelstein
appeared in the Israeli daily newspaper Maariv, which also quoted the
nationally known GOP consultant as saying that in the presidential election,
"the Republican Party became the Christian right, the most radical
in modern history ever."
Finkelstein, the one-time political guru
to former U.S. Sen. Alfonse D'Amato, is also described by Maariv writer
Boaz Gaon as "hating" Bush.
In the story, which ran last Friday, Finkelstein
accused Bush of trying to "dictate to America how to live and what
to believe in."
Finkelstein, who has helped run several
Israeli elections, is also described as claiming Bush is more interested
in banning abortion than he is in winning the war in Iraq.
And Finkelstein, who told a Boston newspaper
several years ago that he is homosexual, described Bush's campaign strategy
as being more interested in banning gay marriages than in improving the
Finkelstein, who is credited with orchestrating
Pataki's stunning upset victory over then-Gov. Mario Cuomo in 1994, told
the newspaper Bush's victory is bad news for Pataki, a social liberal
who supports abortion and gay rights, because it means the "Christian
right" is in charge of the GOP.
Asked if Pataki could run for president
in 2008, Finkelstein responded: "Bush's victory not only establishes
the power of the American Christian right in this candidacy, but in fact
established its power to elect the next Republican president."
Finkelstein did not return calls seeking
comment, and Pataki's camp did not return calls.
A prominent Republican familiar with the
interview called Finkelstein's comments "a big embarrassment for
Pataki. "Arthur isn't comfortable being a Republican anymore when
he's so unhappy with our success and that's why he's so flamboyantly bashing
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Collision of cultures, Hmong and white hunters have had disputes in the
BY TODD NELSON and ALEX FRIEDRICH
Pioneer Press, Posted on Mon, Nov. 22, 2004
Hunting is a tradition many Hmong have
continued to pursue since resettling here from Laos, though not always
Some Hmong hunters in the Twin Cities say
they have been targets of harassment and intimidation. Some of their white
counterparts complain that the former refugees, used to unregulated hunting
in their homeland, sometimes fail to comply with modern hunting regulations
and wildlife management practices.
"A lot of these hunters are people
who have a strong tradition in hunting," said Hmong activist Michael
Yang of St. Paul, who joined friends looking for deer on his first hunting
trip a few weeks ago. "That was one of the bases of survival back
in the old days. You go out there in your farm fields and hunt what you
Hunters of all kinds expressed shock Sunday
at the arrest of Chai Vang of St. Paul in shootings that killed five people
and injured three during a dispute over a deer stand in western Wisconsin.
The natural resources departments in Minnesota and Wisconsin, home to
more than 75,000 Hmong counted in the 2000 census, have both hired Hmong
conservation officers to help bridge the gap between Hmong hunting traditions
and today's regulations.
Lee Pao Xiong, a Hmong activist from St.
Paul, said he stopped hunting on public lands in Minnesota after an incident
several years ago in which he and two friends were hunting for squirrels.
Two carloads of white hunters suddenly pulled in to the spot where the
three were camping and started making harassing comments. Several other
Hmong hunters overheard the commotion, and the other hunters left when
they realized they were outnumbered.
Michael Yang said he hears Hmong hunters
talking of discrimination and taunts from other hunters. Hmong hunters
have even been forced to take off their clothes at gunpoint, he said.
"Definitely, there's a lot of friction,"
Michael Yang said.
Other hunters say they have had problems
with Hmong hunters they have encountered.
Maple Grove hunter Sandy Halvorson said
some local hunters complain that Hmong hunters have come onto private
property to hunt and don't understand property rights and bag limits.
"There's a problem with our system,"
she said, adding there should perhaps be classes to teach hunting laws
and traditions to immigrants trying to obtain a license.
"There is a cultural difference between
hunting in other countries and hunting in the United States," she
Hunters are protective of their favorite
spots, said Dusty Bosteder, a hunter from Birchwood, Wis., near Rice Lake.
"I'm shocked," Bosteder said of
the shootings. "Stuff like that doesn't happen in this area."
Still, he said, "Around this country, it has always been territorial."
Two hunters were returning to their rural
cabin on private land in Sawyer County when they saw the suspect in one
of their tree stands before noon Sunday, County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle
said. A confrontation and shooting followed. It's not known who shot first,
Both men were wounded and one of them radioed
to the cabin a quarter mile away. Two or three hunters responded and were
killed, he said. About 20 shots were fired, but it's unclear who shot
them, he said. There was only one gun among the hunters' group, Zeigle
Zeigle said the suspect was "chasing
after them and killing them," with a SKS 7.62 caliber semiautomatic,
a common hunting weapon.
The dead included four males, including
a teenage boy, and a woman, Zeigle said. A father and son were among them,
he said. Some of the victims were shot more than once.
All five, from the Rice Lake area, were
dead when officers arrived to the area near Town of Meteor in southwestern
Sawyer County, he said. ...
CBS news looking for people for an anti-BB gun "The Early Show"
UPDATE: I wonder who from CBS was looking at my web site
and why they were looking. (See LOOK WHO'S BEEN TO OCSHOOTERS.COM
I finally figured it out.
Common Sense about Kids and Guns is a front for its President, Victoria
Reggie Kennedy. That's Kennedy as in wife of Senator Edward M. Kennedy,
From her bio on the web site at:
"Mrs. Kennedy is a member of the Board of Trustees of the
Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, where she chairs the Board's
Program and Strategic Planning Committee. She has served on the
Board of Stop Handgun Violence in Boston, Massachusetts and has
served as a member of the Advisory Committee for the Annual Day
of National Concern about young People and Gun Violence."
I keep a watch on a web site called Common
Sense about Kids and Guns at http://www.kidsandguns.org. I have been watching
their Bulletin Board. A few days ago I found the following POST:
|Re: Re: BB Guns
Posted by: Melinda Murphy
I am a correspondent on The Early Show, CBS' national morning program.
I am working on a story about the latest report on BB guns and other
nonpowder guns, and am hoping you can help us. We are looking to find
a family with a personal story of the injury or death of a child who
was playing with a BB gun. We want to put a face on the story to help
other parents understand just how dangerous these weapons can be.
Please let me know if this is something you might be able to assist
Thank you for your help,
I decided to look to see who was backing the group
and found they stated: Our Endorsing Organizations include:
- American Academy of Pediatrics
- Child Welfare League of America
- National Crime Prevention Council
- National SAFE KIDS Campaign
- National Shooting Sports Foundation
- Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc.
- Stop Handgun Violence
- The U.S. Conference of Mayors
I know that most of the endorsing groups are totally anti-gun and could
not understand why the National Shooting Sports Foundation, (NSSF,)
and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc. would
endorse this group so I called the SAAMI & NSSF and found that they
did not endorse the group and that they had told them
to take their name off as endorsers. SAAMI & NSSF's legal department
will be sending Common Sense about Kids and Guns another letter to have
their name taken off the list. I also talked to the National Crime Prevention
Council and they said that they do not endorse any product or organization
and that they will be looking into this matter.
Zogby Post-Election Poll ask 2nd Amendment Questions
has a Post-Election survey asking about voting problems, motivations,
and more. They also asked several 2nd Amendment questions.
- Currently, residents of the District of Columbia are prohibited from
owning a firearm. Should Congress pass a law to allow them to buy firearms?
- Do you agree or disagree that American firearm manufacturers who sell
a legal product that is not defective should be sued if a criminal uses
their products in a crime?
- Currently, 36 states have laws that allow residents to qualify for
a permit to carry a firearm if they pass a background check, if they
take a firearms safety-training course, and if they pay a fee to cover
administrative costs. Do you support or oppose such laws?
- Here are two statements about gun control. Please pick which statement
comes closer to your point of view - A or B?
Statement A: There needs to be new and tougher gun control laws to help
in the fight against gun crime.
Statement B: There are enough laws on the books, what is needed is better
enforcement of current gun control laws.
- Do you agree or disagree that Congress should pass a federal law that
allows reciprocity between all states that allow concealed carry of
a firearm so that the concealed carry permit in one state is automatically
honored by another state that also allows concealed carry of a firearm?
- John Kerry said he always has and always will fight to protect the
legal right to keep and bear arms. Did Kerry's statement on guns make
you more likely or less likely to vote for him or did it make no difference?
- Did John Kerry's hunting trips, statements in support of the Second
Amendment and campaign material in support of the Second Amendment convince
you that Kerry has been a defender of guns and hunting in the Senate?
- Do you or does anyone in your household keep a gun for personal protection
or hunting at your home, place of business, or at a vacation home or
- Here are the names of several groups. Please tell me if you listened
for their messages before the election all of the time, some of the
time, rarely, or never. The list of groups was: Democratic Party, Republican
Party, Organized Labor, National Rifle Association,
Christian Coalition, Business Organizations, Liberal Organizations,
Hollywood celebrities like Michael Moore and Bruce Springsteen. You
could Answer: All of the time, Some of the time, Rarely, Never, Not
- Do you agree or disagree that laws prohibiting convicted felons and
non-US citizens from voting should be more vigorously enforced?
- Some voters have homes in the north during the summer and homes in
the south during the winter and are illegally registered to vote in
more than one state. Do you agree or disagree that state governments
should more vigorously prosecute those voters who violate federal law
by registering to vote in different states?
- Would you definitely support, probably support, probably oppose or
definitely oppose changing the current electoral college system for
electing a President so that the winner is the candidate who gets the
most votes nationally?
- The Supreme Court's ruling on the campaign finance law will prevent
organized labor, National Abortion Rights Action League, Right-to-Life,
and the National Rifle Association from having a voice
within two months of a general election and one month of a primary election.
Do you think that Congress should return the right to these organizations
to advertise prior to a political campaign or should they restrict the
rights of media organizations and corporations in order to level the
- Congress' campaign finance reform law enabled so-called "527
groups" such as MoveOn.org and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to
spend large sums of money to advocate for the election or defeat of
presidential candidates. Thinking back on the recent presidential election,
do you think Congress should have left the campaign laws as they were
before the reform or do you think the campaign finance law reforms were
- The U.S. Chamber of Commerce announced it would support Vietnam's
entry into the World Trade Organization to open up that country's 80
million consumers to American products. Do you agree or disagree with
- Do you think from what you hear that Vietnam offers religious freedom?
- Which of the following statements comes closest to your own opinion
- A or B?
- Statement A: The country is deeply divided and the President and
Republicans in Congress need to make some compromises with the Democrats
in Congress to try to bring the country together?
- Statement B: The President and Republicans in Congress won a mandate
from the people and they should go ahead with their agenda regardless
of what the Democrats think.
- Should voters in Federal elections be asked to show a photo ID, such
as a driver's license, passport, student ID, or military ID before voting?
You can always Register to take the Line
Poll at: http://interactive.zogby.com/pollregistration/registration/
What is she talking about? Barbra Streisand speaks out.
Barb put the following post on her web
|We Must Have Patience
Posted on November 8, 2004
In response to the results of the Presidential election last week,
I would like to share with you a quote from Thomas Jefferson. Although
written in 1798, I feel his words speak perfectly to the strong
sentiments of frustration and disappointment 48% of the country
"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches
pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their
true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It
is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit,
and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous
public debt......If the game runs sometimes against us at home we
must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity
of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game
where principles are at stake."
But what was going on in 1798? Does anyone remember the
Alien and Sedition Acts? From Info
| Alien and Sedition Acts, 1798, four
laws enacted by the Federalist-controlled U.S. Congress,
allegedly in response to the hostile actions of the French Revolutionary
government on the seas and in the councils of diplomacy (see XYZ Affair),
but actually designed to destroy Thomas Jefferson's Republican
party, which had openly expressed its sympathies for the
French Revolutionaries. Depending on recent arrivals from Europe for
much of their voting strength, the Republicans were adversely affected
by the Naturalization Act, which postponed citizenship, and thus voting
privileges, until the completion of 14 (rather than 5) years of residence,
and by the Alien Act and the Alien Enemies Act, which gave the President
the power to imprison or deport aliens suspected of activities posing
a threat to the national government. President John Adams made no
use of the alien acts. Most controversial, however, was the Sedition
Act, devised to silence Republican criticism of the Federalists. Its
broad proscription of spoken or written criticism of the government,
the Congress, or the President virtually nullified the First Amendment
freedoms of speech and the press. Prominent Jeffersonians,
most of them journalists, such as John Daly Burk, James T. Callender,
Thomas Cooper, William Duane (1760–1835), and Matthew Lyon were
tried, and some were convicted, in sedition proceedings. The Alien
and Sedition Acts provoked the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions and
did much to unify the Republican party and to foster Republican victory
in the election of 1800. The Republican-controlled Congress repealed
the Naturalization Act in 1802; the others were allowed to expire
Barb, oh Barb, it turns out that the quote
came from a letter Jefferson sent in 1798 after the passage of the Sedition
Act. Barb, I think that the "reign of witches" passed over when
Bush beat Gore. (Unless you are talking about us in NY having Sen. H*******
R**** C******.) CLICK
HERE TO READ THE WHOLE LETTER FROM JEFFERSON
Felons for Kerry, Rock the Vote & Vote or Die
This article was researched because of
a TV news story about how Paris Hilton, and 50 Cent were major names in
the Rock the Vote and Vote or Die campaign but they were not even registered
to vote. I decided to do some research on some of the people and this
is what I found out. This is not a detailed research into the backgrounds.
This is what you can find out by doing a GOOGLE
search or going to THE
OR DIE" aka Citizen Change web site: "has created an undeniable
campaign by amassing its own “Coalition Of the Willing”."
The following are some of the "luminaries" that are included
along with some of the other people that are part of the project. Not
all of the people who were part of the campaign are felons or have drug
or alcohol problems.
- 50-Cent That
is 50 CENT holding a Glock,
50 Cent holding a S&W with a laser mounted on the trigger guard
picture while serving time in a New York State Department of
Correctional Services shock incarceration program. 50, then 19,
had pleaded guilty to felony charges of peddling heroin and crack
mistaken me for somebody that you should be testing,
your should be stressin I'm gonna fuckin teach you a lesson,
MAC 101's in session and lace the track that I'm blessin,
smith and western's, the weapon, in case you just guessing, (God
been on parole since '94 because I committed crimes
I said it in my rapping, I did my time in prison
The police ran up in my house
You know who told them about my illegal activities
...We ride around with guns the size of Li'l Bow Wow, ( another
kid who is a rapper)
What you know about A-K's and A.R.15's
Equipped with night vision, shell catchers and amph beams, huh
- Jay-Z : arrest
- Jamie Foxx
- Drew Barrymore
- P Diddy (Sean Combs), Head of "VOTE OR DIE" (He has been
shown coming out of the voting booth so he was not convicted or he had
his voting right restored. I know that he was found not guilty to the
gun charges from NY City.)
- Marshall Mathers, III (aka Eminem) (Famous for his anti-Bush video
released a week before the election.